Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
Prepare Yourselves… 2025 AEs >

Prepare Yourselves? 2025 AEs

Search

Notices

Prepare Yourselves… 2025 AEs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-28-2025 | 12:28 PM
  #971  
iaflyer's Avatar
seeing the country...
15 Years
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,992
Likes: 31
From: 73N A
Default

Originally Posted by iaflyer
I'm no international trade lawyer, I just just repeating what Ed said about not paying any tariffs. I was just throwing out what I think are ways around tariffs.

We got around some tariffs last time (I believe the A330s were flown to Japan first, then the US, getting around Trump(v1) tariffs that were imposed back then, but I could be wrong). In the end, Delta isn't going to pay a fairly large percent extra for airplanes. It would raise the capital cost of new airplanes and skewer their international cost structure. You can't just walk into the Boeing store and buy some B-787s or 777 instead. I would suspect that when Delta goes to the administration and says "we'd love to grow and hire more people but we can't when the airplanes cost 10% more. Sure would be unfortunate if we announced we're furloughing people because airplanes are too expensive...." that some carve-out or something will be figured out.
Delta Beats Trump’s Tariffs: New Airbus Jets Arriving Duty-Free

Here’s how Delta Air Lines is avoiding the Trump administration’s tariffs on new Airbus jets manufactured in Europe: they aren’t importing them.

The planes fly from Toulouse, France to somewhere other than the United States, like Tokyo, so that when they come here to the States they aren’t ‘new’.
And what they’ve done in the past is have the aircraft fly only internationally, landing in the U.S. and then leaving, so that they aren’t ‘imported’.

There is currently a 10% tariff in place on imports, including Airbus jets manufactured in Europe. There is an announced 90-day pause on so-called reciprocal tariffs (that are calculated based on trade deficits) that would impose a 20% levy on products from the European Union.

One Mile at a Time writes that Delta used the same strategy during the first Trump administration when similar tariffs were put in place.Aviation watchdog JonNYC flagged that Delta is taking delivery of a new Airbus A350-900 widebody (registration N528DN) that was manufactured in Toulouse, France. The plane will fly to Tokyo Narita prior to entering service.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N528DN

They are also taking delivery of an Airbus A220 manufactured at the Mirabel facility in Quebec, Canada, about 45 minutes outside of Montreal.

It’s not hard to keep a widebody aircraft flying only internationally, though airlines will often reposition planes between U.S. hubs by operating a domestic flight. That may not be possible at this time for Delta. It is tougher to do it with a narrowbody like an A220, but flying between destinations in Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean into and back out of Delta hubs is doable. The more planes that have to be handled this way, the tougher it gets.

Tracking restrictions on aircraft poses all sorts of challenges. Several years ago, American Airlines improperly flew a non-ETOPS certified Airbus A321 to Hawaii. Legacy US Airways hadn’t invested in a required raft, so while the aircraft’s range was fine it wasn’t permitted to fly overwater for significant lengths of time. At scale, it becomes increasingly complex to keep fleets segregated as required by this strategy.

Earlier this month Delta CEO Ed Bastian was asked about tariffs on new aircraft and he was unequivocal that they wouldn’t be paying the tariffs. This was interpreted to mean either that Airbus would pick up the cost, or that deliveries would be deferred.

Obviously in this environment, we are going to work very closely with Airbus, which is the only airline we’ve got deliveries coming from for the balance of this year. And they’ve been a great partner. We’ll do our very best to see what we have to do to minimize tariffs. But the one thing that you need to know we are very clear on is that we will not be paying tariffs on any aircraft deliveries we take.

https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-be...ing-duty-free/
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 12:38 PM
  #972  
Line Holder
25M+ Airline Miles
20 Countries Visited
 
Joined: Jul 2023
Posts: 851
Likes: 176
Default

Originally Posted by iahflyr

Why would the administration make an exemption for a foreign company to sell their products in the US when there is already a domestic alternative (Boeing). That makes no sense. The tech exemption was meant for US companies (Apple, Google) where there is currently no domestic produced alternative.
Boeing is hardly a viable alternative to Airbus anymore.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 01:03 PM
  #973  
notEnuf's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 13,183
Likes: 638
From: ir.delta.com
Default

Sale and lease back sounds very doable. We have a lot of international "partners." This will muddy the SCOPE waters for sure... two birds, one stone.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 01:05 PM
  #974  
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,831
Likes: 499
Default

how will we reconcile in our heads that these tariffs are good moves for the country but also that businesses should do everything to avoid paying them?


cognitive dissonance is wild.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 01:46 PM
  #975  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 2,286
Likes: 18
Default

Originally Posted by OOfff
how will we reconcile in our heads that these tariffs are good moves for the country but also that businesses should do everything to avoid paying them?


cognitive dissonance is wild.
waiting for your factually correct observation to get flagged for political posting.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 02:42 PM
  #976  
Lou Reed's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: 35B
Default

Originally Posted by OOfff
how will we reconcile in our heads that these tariffs are good moves for the country but also that businesses should do everything to avoid paying them?


cognitive dissonance is wild.
It's the cliche "if it benefits others it is bad, but once it hits close to home I'm all for it" mindset of lotta these folks.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 06:30 PM
  #977  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 241
Likes: 14
Default

Originally Posted by notEnuf
Sale and lease back sounds very doable. We have a lot of international "partners." This will muddy the SCOPE waters for sure... two birds, one stone.
or worse, gives delta the justification to set up a flag of convenience in whatever poor country and start putting aircraft on it. Management tells APLA “we can just do this to accept the aircraft then move them over when crazy is done. If not no growth and we start up the meat grinder!” “Hey this isn’t our fault! We are just trying to do anything to get these birds flying for big D!”
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 06:34 PM
  #978  
FangsF15's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,099
Likes: 1,047
Default

Originally Posted by runinonfumes
or worse, gives delta the justification to set up a flag of convenience in whatever poor country and start putting aircraft on it. Management tells APLA “we can just do this to accept the aircraft then move them over when crazy is done. If not no growth and we start up the meat grinder!” “Hey this isn’t our fault! We are just trying to do anything to get these birds flying for big D!”
Section 1 of the PWA prevents exactly this.
Reply
Old 04-28-2025 | 08:28 PM
  #979  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 241
Likes: 14
Default

Originally Posted by FangsF15
Section 1 of the PWA prevents exactly this.
Fly now grieve later…it’s just a document. They have and will violate any part of the PWA if it cost less to do so. 10+% on everything we have on order, including Boeing, most of those planes parts come from everywhere but here. I’m guessing it’s worth managements time and energy to become exceptionally creative and laser focused on a goal of saving money today and letting the courts decide who’s at fault seven years later. And even if we win the grievance, how much would the company have to pay….not even close to the 10% increase in cost of our order book I would bet.
Reply
Old 04-29-2025 | 11:13 AM
  #980  
On Reserve
 
Joined: Jun 2024
Posts: 63
Likes: 6
Default

for anyone interested - the projected forcast of staffing for each fleet for november2025 is out in the ae section of deltanet
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ColoradoAviator
Delta
2253
12-29-2024 04:12 AM
PilotBases
Delta
6367
12-15-2023 12:54 AM
ColoradoAviator
Delta
3697
10-28-2022 04:00 AM
Trip7
Delta
3969
11-02-2021 08:57 AM
Outlaw2097
Hangar Talk
8
06-17-2011 01:34 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices