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03-13-2025 | 09:12 PM

#131

Guppydriver95

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine

He was talking about the LOE scenario

Whoops. Missed that detail. Disregard. 😁

03-13-2025 | 09:50 PM

#132

Whoopsmybad

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine

If you're at Delta, the 45 minutes of fuel reserve on the flight plan is calculated at 1,500 feet above the destination. If you only had 45 minutes of reserve at cruise altitude, you were way below your flight planned reserve fuel value.

45 minutes of additional holding fuel planned. And because of altitude change it became way less than 45 minutes. Guess I didn’t explain the scenario very well.

My point is don’t just look at times but you have to evaluate real burn. Especially when deciding on needing to pull the trigger to divert.

03-14-2025 | 02:12 AM

#133

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

PDX to SEA LOE the dispatchers are A$$#0!3$. No, you can't have any extra gas. Payload optimized or some other BS.

Terrible answer but....I can give you the fuel but I can't adjust the WDR. There's no way to adjust the numbers in the box to reflect a fuel change

The flip side, it pretty much guarantees fuel isn't going to be an issue on the LOE

03-14-2025 | 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

PDX to SEA LOE the dispatchers are A$$#0!3$. No, you can't have any extra gas. Payload optimized or some other BS.

You can always have extra gas. I only lost that argument once when I was flying my first 757 flight in 5 years. FRA-JFK planned to land with 7000 at JFK with severe T storms forecast. Called dispatch and asked him to bump the fuel from 78,000 to 83,000. He replied, "Well Captain, 78,000 is all it holds!"
We ended up in BOS. Delta pulled the 757 off the route after 6 weeks and put the 767 back on.

03-14-2025 | 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

That’s a problematic statement. The dispatcher isn’t the final authority, you are. If they continue to push back, get their supervisor on the line, and file an ASAP/FSAP. If you want the gas, get the gas. Period. If it means losing a little revenue, so be it.

Sim land, cooperate, graduate, candidate plays the game.

03-14-2025 | 06:24 AM

#136

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

You can always have extra gas.

Not when flying in "Simlandia" on an LOE, as the poster referenced. It's a tight script that thou shall not deviate from. 😁

03-14-2025 | 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by trip

Sim land, cooperate, graduate, candidate plays the game.

Yea, I corrected myself a couple messages ago wrt to the fact that it’s a sim event. But, if one wanted to push back a little, telling the examiner the sim event is supposed to be handled just like a line event might be sporty. They love to tell us that, and if that’s the case, that’s how I’d handle it on the line.

03-14-2025 | 07:14 AM

#138

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

PDX to SEA LOE the dispatchers are A$$#0!3$. No, you can't have any extra gas. Payload optimized or some other BS.

PDX-SEA? You aren't takeoff performance limited on that route. Again in a 737-800, you can land with 8000 pounds and not bump anything. If the plan calls for more than that on arrival, and it certainly will with specific alternate requirements for any number of destinations, then any fuel added beyond that has a chance of reducing the available payload (and bumping non-revs).

03-14-2025 | 08:44 AM

#139

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Delta pulled the 757 off the route after 6 weeks and put the 767 back on.

I remember flying the 757 to FRA. I felt so insignificant. Obviously before GH took over Network.

03-14-2025 | 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Singlecoil

The weather forecasters on that route are terrible too. We takeoff and SEA is VFR with no ALT listed or required and in <30 minutes the destination goes CatIII unless the engine fails then the visibility comes up to 1/2.

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