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Old 07-04-2025 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
No standing and saying goodbye or welcoming anybody onboard until they do what’s right.
The people who do that, after *****ing about how the company does what they do blow my mind.

Staying a bit nebulous, but if a manual says I shall, or must, it gets done.
If it's a should/if time allows, etc nope.

The only gate PA I have made in the last few years has been when we had a mechanical trying to leave BRU (inbound plane turning broke on way in) and only after 8 hours when they finally cancelled, (granted I'm on the international side and had to get escorted back up) I did it only as a favor to the gate agent who was super awesome to us. We all knew there was ZERO chance that plane was leaving BRU for ATL that day, based on where part was coming from and install time, but ATL yanked us and the passengers around for 8 hours, basically redispatching us to JFK, then BOS, and when they tried to have us meet a crew in Bangor/Halifax/St. Johns, I called dispach/DP/Crew Tracking and told them NO. Not happening. Not going to get stuck on the plane at an airport where you "are trying" to get a crew to us.

We all knew it was no chance paddles, even if the part teleported from the warehouse at CDG and was just walked over from the next gate, zero handling time, it was not going to happen by 1100.. They yanked us and the pax around until 1555.. When the LATT for BOS was 1620 and the part was still enroute.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
If the language is iron clad, with absolutely zero wiggle room, they still violate it. Why would anyone think otherwise?
Who thinks they will ever pay the 200%? If you don't believe they will, then that negotiation was never in good faith. They will take it through the entire arbitration process to stall and the next TA will address it by dropping grievances. They never intended to comply, this is the "family" you are dealing with every day you go to work. Act accordingly.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Who thinks they will ever pay the 200%? If you don't believe they will, then that negotiation was never in good faith. They will take it through the entire arbitration process to stall and the next TA will address it by dropping grievances. They never intended to comply, this is the "family" you are dealing with every day you go to work. Act accordingly.
They will pay the 200%. The language is crystal clear and the Union won't settle for anything less than full pay for every pilot affected. Company is just stalling the inevitable
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Old 07-04-2025 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
They will pay the 200%. The language is crystal clear and the Union won't settle for anything less than full pay for every pilot affected. Company is just stalling the inevitable
...and continuing to torch whatever good will remains in the pilot group...
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Old 07-04-2025 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf;[url=tel:3925695
3925695[/url]]…pilot assist/STS all trips (RES, so likely IA out of order coverage within RES or skipped WS 23M7)
So with a reserve assignment, the thinking here is they may have assigned it out of order or skipped someone’s WS? I’ve never thought to check this.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
They will pay the 200%. The language is crystal clear and the Union won't settle for anything less than full pay for every pilot affected. Company is just stalling the inevitable
Lol to so much of this…I hope you’re right.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
They will pay the 200%. The language is crystal clear and the Union won't settle for anything less than full pay for every pilot affected. Company is just stalling the inevitable
They will not. There will be further negotiations and ALPA will cave for another pinky promise. This will extend into sect. 6 and end up a contingency for the PWAs overarching greater good. You will never see the 200% as written. We have had a lot of reliable language over the years undone. SCOPE is my first example and every arbitration since I've been here as my second. They have learned they can agree to anything and delay implementation until the they get more favorable terms at a later date. In many cases the more favorable term is elimination. Or, a rewrite from the ground up for a better conceptual model.

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Old 07-04-2025 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
They will not. There will be further negotiations and ALPA will cave for another pinky promise. This will extend into sect. 6 and end up a contingency for the PWAs overarching greater good. You will never see the 200% as written. We have had a lot of reliable language over the years undone. SCOPE is my first example and every arbitration since I've been here as my second. They have learned they can agree to anything and delay implementation until the they get more favorable terms at a later date. In many cases the more favorable term is elimination. Or, a rewrite from the ground up for a better conceptual model.
Yup. We'll settle for pennies on the dollar most likely during section 6. To be fair though, we don't have much choice seeing as how arbitration rarely seems to go in our favor.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
So with a reserve assignment, the thinking here is they may have assigned it out of order or skipped someone’s WS? I’ve never thought to check this.
Absolutely because the same short cutting of the assignment process happens at all level of the assignment ladder. Arcos assigns WSs now so if they can't wait for the process to play out and go to a RES, then there was possibly a pilot further up the ladder that should have been given the trip which means a 23M7 pilot should be identified on the report.
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Old 07-04-2025 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Yup. We'll settle for pennies on the dollar most likely during section 6. To be fair though, we don't have much choice seeing as how arbitration rarely seems to go in our favor.
Read the C44 update that just came out. This was already grieved, timelines were established, the company didn’t meet the deadlines, and 200% is the de facto amount that they owe starting June 2.

They have no Tegridy!
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