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GutterGuard 05-03-2026 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4031035)
I guess someone has to pay for the incompetence. It certainly wouldn't be the people who ACTUALLY are causing this.

I just haven't seen any comms. Wasn't sure if I missed it or if it's just water cooler gossip.

Hotel Kilo 05-03-2026 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4031035)
I guess someone has to pay for the incompetence. It certainly wouldn't be the people who ACTUALLY are causing this.

If true, can't blame him, if HT was my boss I'd be looking for an off ramp too.

Gunfighter 05-03-2026 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 4031000)
It's not a false narrative. As a credit surfer I agree with Crewdawg. There is risk that credit surfers take.
  • You can get hurt or sick and get potentially get stuck with a very low pay month.
  • Credit surfing only works in a certain about of categories that have an abundance of short leg traffic flow thru the base. Credit surfing is much more difficult in NYC than ATL.
  • There isn't always a flow of easy broken up trip and I wouldn't advise credit surfing to anyone who only has set amount of days to work. There's been times when it seems like WWIII to get a WSnon a weekend. There have been times when you wake up on a clear blue day in ATL with no open time and before you even have a chance to have breakfast ARCOS rings and you are heading to DHing to Aruba for 24hrs.
As far as trip coverage changes, credit surfers don't scrutinize, we improvise. Hypothetically speaking, even if they flowed easy WS to RSV it would decimate reserve coverage and lead to an ever larger increase of QS/SS/GS. Credit surfing technique has already started shifting to SS/QS in lieu of WS/GS and that would further the migration even more.

Don't hate the player, hate the game

Why did your post make me think of chorizo and egg or country and patatas?

Casualinterest 05-03-2026 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by GutterGuard (Post 4031031)
What's all this about Cude being removed?

they eliminated his position and he chose retirement over whatever new position this clown car could come up with.

No there was no official comm. They would never publicize their ritual sacrifice.

StoneQOLdCrazy 05-03-2026 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 4031130)
they eliminated his position and he chose retirement over whatever new position this clown car could come up with.

No there was no official comm. They would never publicize their ritual sacrifice.

Managment never admits mistakes. Never takes accountability, and never apologizes….doubles down on terrible decisions , and then gaslights the BoD that it’s the pilots fault.

That’s the delta difference.

Herkflyr 05-03-2026 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 4031157)
Managment never admits mistakes. Never takes accountability, and never apologizes….doubles down on terrible decisions , and then gaslights the BoD that it’s the pilots fault.

That’s the delta difference.

You should copyright that and frame it. Perfect synopsis.

i fly planes 05-03-2026 12:51 PM

Hard to snag even low credit OOBWS now..? Is the window between 12 and 18hr prior?

queuetip 05-03-2026 01:01 PM

Does Bob Schmelzer still work for Delta? I used to like him in crew resources and his linkedin says that he's in charge of pilot scheduling. If that's true, yikes. He always seemed like a level headed data driven guy. I think anyone doing the analytics of this could see it's not working and the current situation demands a pivot to a new strategy.

IceFlash 05-03-2026 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by queuetip (Post 4031228)
Does Bob Schmelzer still work for Delta? I used to like him in crew resources and his linkedin says that he's in charge of pilot scheduling. If that's true, yikes. He always seemed like a level headed data driven guy. I think anyone doing the analytics of this could see it's not working and the current situation demands a pivot to a new strategy.

Yes he does

flightlessbirds 05-03-2026 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 4030985)
We might be talking past each other here. I agree with your point here as I am one of those who has dropped their schedule and credit surfed for over a decade now. But it's not a false narrative to say that there hasn't been a recent increase in this strategy in hopes of easy/free money of m7 and QS. If that gravy train goes away, I'd guess that we'll see many of the recent adopters go back to their old ways, while you and I keep with this strategy. By gravy train, I don't mean moving RSV before WS, I just mean if they take away the ability to AA or something else that will drive down all the m7 being handed out like candy.






I agree with you 100% here.

Totally agree and do think we were talking a bit past each other earlier. Yeah there are definitely people "farming" and dropping their schedule that wouldn't be if the game was actually flying WS (IB or OOB).

The one additional piece I'll add though that is driving additional same/next/second open time broken opportunities is PWA 23.L.4 Note 3 and Note 4, which drives "created" reroute broken trips back into the coverage ladder, and is somewhat a self-licking cream cone when coverage goes sideways. This also drives credit into those broken trips as it forces more DH one way trips. This was a major association win in C19 and has been driving some of the increase in broken WS-able opportunities that previous would have gone to reroute. This is another important win not to dilute.


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