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12-02-2025 | 12:54 PM
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If you VD, you take the seniority of the junior person you're saving. As far as a MD, the catch is that they have to get to you. What I'm saying is if they do a slow draw down, then maybe stop displacements for a while, I could get stuck very junior in seat while I wait for a position I want to open up, OR the MD's to continue. If they displace everyone all at the same time, then it's a non-issue.
12-02-2025 | 01:37 PM
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If you VD, you take the seniority of the junior person you're saving. As far as a MD, the catch is that they have to get to you. What I'm saying is if they do a slow draw down, then maybe stop displacements for a while, I could get stuck very junior in seat while I wait for a position I want to open up, OR the MD's to continue. If they displace everyone all at the same time, then it's a non-issue.
12-02-2025 | 02:31 PM
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If you VD, you take the seniority of the junior person you're saving. As far as a MD, the catch is that they have to get to you. What I'm saying is if they do a slow draw down, then maybe stop displacements for a while, I could get stuck very junior in seat while I wait for a position I want to open up, OR the MD's to continue. If they displace everyone all at the same time, then it's a non-issue.
Sec22.F.6
A pilot who holds a VD may:
a. displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that their seniority entitles them to hold, (or)
b. displace a pilot junior to them in the same position in a different base, or
c. displace a pilot in any category who:
1) was in such category on the award date of the pilot who holds the VD, and
2) is junior to the pilot whose displacement they volunteered to take.
Either way, you’re right in that if you hang around in a long draw down you could get junior in category real quick. OTOH, reserve in an over-manned category can be massively great QOL.
Both VD and MD get paid moves.
If you need training, a VD is a seat lock, and MD is no seat lock.
12-02-2025 | 03:14 PM
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Maybe I’m mis-reading what you wrote, but there is a 3-part distinction (in case anyone is part of a displacement bid):
Sec22.F.6
A pilot who holds a VD may:
a. displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that their seniority entitles them to hold, (or)
b. displace a pilot junior to them in the same position in a different base, or
c. displace a pilot in any category who:
1) was in such category on the award date of the pilot who holds the VD, and
2) is junior to the pilot whose displacement they volunteered to take.
Either way, you’re right in that if you hang around in a long draw down you could get junior in category real quick. OTOH, reserve in an over-manned category can be massively great QOL.
Both VD and MD get paid moves.
If you need training, a VD is a seat lock, and MD is no seat lock.
Sec22.F.6
A pilot who holds a VD may:
a. displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that their seniority entitles them to hold, (or)
b. displace a pilot junior to them in the same position in a different base, or
c. displace a pilot in any category who:
1) was in such category on the award date of the pilot who holds the VD, and
2) is junior to the pilot whose displacement they volunteered to take.
Either way, you’re right in that if you hang around in a long draw down you could get junior in category real quick. OTOH, reserve in an over-manned category can be massively great QOL.
Both VD and MD get paid moves.
If you need training, a VD is a seat lock, and MD is no seat lock.
I was referencing C.2, but good point on the other two options. I discounted B because I dont ever plan on willingly commuting. A could be a player I guess, but could I then just bid it as an AE?
12-02-2025 | 03:58 PM
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Maybe I’m mis-reading what you wrote, but there is a 3-part distinction (in case anyone is part of a displacement bid):
Sec22.F.6
A pilot who holds a VD may:
a. displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that their seniority entitles them to hold, (or)
b. displace a pilot junior to them in the same position in a different base, or
c. displace a pilot in any category who:
1) was in such category on the award date of the pilot who holds the VD, and
2) is junior to the pilot whose displacement they volunteered to take.
Either way, you’re right in that if you hang around in a long draw down you could get junior in category real quick. OTOH, reserve in an over-manned category can be massively great QOL.
Both VD and MD get paid moves.
If you need training, a VD is a seat lock, and MD is no seat lock.
Sec22.F.6
A pilot who holds a VD may:
a. displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that their seniority entitles them to hold, (or)
b. displace a pilot junior to them in the same position in a different base, or
c. displace a pilot in any category who:
1) was in such category on the award date of the pilot who holds the VD, and
2) is junior to the pilot whose displacement they volunteered to take.
Either way, you’re right in that if you hang around in a long draw down you could get junior in category real quick. OTOH, reserve in an over-manned category can be massively great QOL.
Both VD and MD get paid moves.
If you need training, a VD is a seat lock, and MD is no seat lock.
12-02-2025 | 08:45 PM
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If you are base changing and trying to snag a paid move, in a category with displacements, I would delete the AE part and just have a MD and VD.
The MD has no seat lock if training is required. Some will delete the AE and VD to have guaranteed no seat lock. If it’s a slow chug to close the category, a seat lock might be less painful than the QOL waiting for the category to close.
Lots to consider if you (or anyone) get into the displacement scenario.
12-02-2025 | 08:58 PM
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12-03-2025 | 04:16 AM
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My memory is pretty hazy but I believe we've kicked more than that out of a category at once, even outside of CV19. With our current lack of hiring, there are plenty of sims open. I suspect we'll see a fair amount of pilots bail to MSP220 and ATL717 as well, so that would dampen the blow. However, I think you're right that they'll unwind it slowly and hope for many to just AE out. With that method, there will be some winners and some losers.
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