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Old 01-07-2026 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 169todepot
Recent AE’s have had no 717A’s to speak of- I know they haven’t backfilled either. Wonder what gives. How much of the fleet is flying/continuing to fly?
They haven't backfilled any DTW717A yet, but I'm sure there will be vacancies soon.

35 DTW717B vacancies over the last 2 AEs. I'm not convinced the wind down is as close as some seem to think. It's definitely on the horizon, but I don't see it affecting current staffing levels. We already had more As than Bs, opposite of ATL.
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Old 01-07-2026 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 169todepot
I think we wish we had them now, and more. But the 777 will always be at the top of the list of regrets.
In another three short years, we will have a 777 replacement. It only took a decade.
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Old 01-07-2026 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
In another three short years, we will have a 777 replacement. It only took a decade.
“Hey the -900 isn’t doing what we promised, but buy the -1000, it’ll do it for sure, we le promise”. -Airbus, probably
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Old 01-08-2026 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 169todepot
“Hey the -900 isn’t doing what we promised, but buy the -1000, it’ll do it for sure, we le promise”. -Airbus, probably
I'm curious, how does the -900 fall short?
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Old 01-08-2026 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
I'm curious, how does the -900 fall short?
Tech stop in Cape Town was the big one.
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Old 01-08-2026 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
I'm curious, how does the -900 fall short?
Most comparisons are to the 777LR which let you have range, cargo and passengers. The 350-900 forces you to pick 2 of 3, especially the first dozen. The -1000 should cover 3/3. One of our remedies for leaving packs behind on the -900 was to remove 31 total seats while increasing the number of D1 to be revenue positive. Instead of leaving Sydney with 30 open seats now we go out full with 8 more potential D1 ticket sales.
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Only 30 of 40 MSP220A awarded on the mock…that doesn’t seem quite right…
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Old 01-08-2026 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
Come to think of it, I can't recall ever seeing one in DTW.
'22 and '23 were busy days for the 220 in DTW. Always stuck at the far low end of the A gates. Always did a lot of un-220 like short hops to NY and DCA. The jet loves their 2.5+ hr hauls to sip fuel. Adding 8+ a year we'll need spots to park them. Also, rumor of the -500 is out there.
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Old 01-09-2026 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GutterGuard
They haven't backfilled any DTW717A yet, but I'm sure there will be vacancies soon.

35 DTW717B vacancies over the last 2 AEs. I'm not convinced the wind down is as close as some seem to think. It's definitely on the horizon, but I don't see it affecting current staffing levels. We already had more As than Bs, opposite of ATL.

If the mock bid holds true, just since Oct, the combined DTW category has shrunk by 65 pilots, including the 2 awarded at indoc. Not long ago we had around 200-220 DTW CA (maybe more, I can't recall), we're currently sitting at 180 and projected to go to 160 by June. The current staffing levels have already been affected. Right now, they can award no 717A and hit the 160 projection. Minimal backfill and few, if any, vacancies on the A side seems logical. It probably aligns us with the loss of MSP flying. I agree with you that it's more on the horizon than it is a near rock. On top of the loss in flying and increased mx issues....seat back entertainment, GPS and other upgrades all keep getting "delayed." People are just seeing the writing on the wall and shifting plans.



Originally Posted by Johnnychimpo
Only 30 of 40 MSP220A awarded on the mock…that doesn’t seem quite right…

They're not required to award them all. My guess is not enough people bid it from the categories they were trying to draw down.
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Old 01-09-2026 | 04:53 AM
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Also if the mid-bid holds true…. WBA wall goes to a 2010 hire. There was what…only 300 2010 hires & then nothing until 2014??? Very likely WBA falls to 2014 hires by the Dec AE.
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