I think there’s also a difference on what data is being accessed.
Curly might be using static pdf AE awards and seniority lists. So what?
iCrewmax and easybid were actively interfacing DBMS.
Big difference if dbms is hacked or crashes.
Sad to see oak notes, iCrewmax, and easybid go, but I see the difference. Id hate to see anything else shut down.

Not the same. When I purchase your house I'm not using access to proprietary information to do it. Further, the access he gets has been denied to other sources for other things, except he gets a pass (ICrew Max, EasyBid, EasySwap, Oak notes etc etc etc).

I'm just asking for them to be consistent in the application of their rules. Which is not the case here with Curly and his product.

Did we not have a pilot disciplined for posting on SM a small piece of the seniority list? Granted Curly doesn't post that information, but he does have access to it.

The access issue is no different than what other 3rd parties were doing for ICrew Max, EasyBid and EasySwap. It's access. Nothing more.

I don't think Curly should have a special carve out to provide him with our information to produce his product.

How about when a Delta pilot moonlights as a mortgage broker and uses his access of company information to solicit new hires about offering them mortgage services?

No difference? Lol, wut? There is a HUGE difference. iCrewMax and Easy Bid/Swap had active tunnels into DL computers, on demand. No certificates or information assurance/protection. It was a backdoor for hackers or whatever, and (though I don't like it), can acknowledge why the company closed those tunnels. Curly has someone email him a simple pdf once a month for seniority, and once a month for AE's. That's it. I have all the same information saved onto my computer, as can you.

You are certainly free to have an issue with perceived HyPoCrAcY!!! Or whatever. But come on....

I'm actually amazed at how worked up some of you are over this. He was doing it before he retired. He has continued offering it as a service. Don't like it? Don't use his service. Sheesh!!

They could have easily contracted and licensed those 3rd parties. Cloudfare shut us down for almost 2 weeks. They were given full access to our systems via as a third party vendor (thru Microsoft).

What about Oak Notes?

Yeah, I do have a problem with him not being an employee getting the lists - and making money off it. If he offered it for free, then I wouldn't be squawking about it. Also, I stated he is welcome to show us the balance sheet. If he's not profiting off of it and the balance sheet is a push, I'll shut my mouth. I maintain he is profiting from it (until I see otherwise). Don't think he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart.

Also, my larger beef is the inconsistent application of our information/technology assurance and security policies. Wanna test it out? Email a friend a copy of any company specific info (that's how its defined in the policy not my words). See what happens. Guarantee they won't take it lightly.

Yet somehow influencers can splash delta branded info all over their postings, but a UNA guy can't make a bag tag that has an image of the widget on it? And yeah the influencers are getting paid via clicks, likes and subscribes depending on the platform they are using. A non-employee gets access (don't care how really) to company specific information (pretty sure our SL fits that defnition), yet they look the other way.

Very inconsistent. That's my issue here.

You think it's fine for him, I don't. We disagree on that.

In my opinion most of this is player hate disguised as game hate.

We have information assurance policies. We sign for compliance on them every year. They are not being consistently applied, if followed at all, in certain situations. How's that gamer/player hate? If the UNA guy can't make a bag tag with a widget on it, then the influencers should not be able to show delta brand on their musings.

If Oak notes is prohibited from using non-tunneled info, then why isn't Curly?


Very inconsistent, yet very selective.

My understanding is the FAA had issue with Oak Notes. Seems stupid to block it to me, but I'm not the FAA.

Curly doesn't owe you a thing, much less a 'peek at his books'. That's an Appeal to Ignorance, aka Burden of Proof Fallacy. And he's not even here to speak up for, or defend himself. He doesn't even post here anymore.

Take your influencer beef up with the company. In the meantime, many of us appreciate his product. So don't ruin it.

You serious Clark? The ALPA site is garbage compared to widget seniority. I hate paying for it but it’s light years better.