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Old 04-04-2026 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
What is the futures contracts for oil deliveries in 6 months? Investors that have skin in the game are betting otherwise.

Again, not saying there won't be paid or consequences. Just that the cries of doom, doom, and black swans are grossly premature (at best).



Again, do you thing Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain are going to just sit and mope while they lose TRILLIONS of petrodollars? (Meanwhile MBS in Saudi is prodding the President to continue to pound Iran. Admittedly, Saudi has different, though overlapping objectives than the US.

Qatar used to play both sides, and did the banking for proxies, and housed thier leaders living in luxury. Think that will continue? I don't.
The futures market doing precisely what futures markets do, pricing the consensus expectation that a disruption is temporary. More critically, the futures market and the physical market have broken apart entirely. Dubai crude used to price Asian oil is currently trading at roughly $37 to $40 per barrel above what futures contracts imply, a gap that was less than a dollar before the conflict. Which market would you trust, the one settling in paper, or the one settling in physical barrels?

Invoking the futures curve as evidence against an energy crisis is like pointing to a weather forecast calling for sun next week as proof that the hurricane currently making landfall is grossly premature. The screen and the physical world are telling two different stories. One of them is getting delivered to refiners at $138 a barrel.

The futures curve is also structurally blind to the nat gas dimension entirely. There is no futures curve pricing the reconstruction timeline of Qatar's North Field. There is no long-dated contract market telling you when the LNG supply growth story the market had priced through 2030 gets restored.


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Old 04-04-2026 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
What is the futures contracts for oil deliveries in 6 months? Investors that have skin in the game are betting otherwise.

Again, not saying there won't be paid or consequences. Just that the cries of doom, doom, and black swans are grossly premature (at best).



Again, do you thing Qatar, Saudi, UAE, Kuwait, and Bahrain are going to just sit and mope while they lose TRILLIONS of petrodollars? (Meanwhile MBS in Saudi is prodding the President to continue to pound Iran. Admittedly, Saudi has different, though overlapping objectives than the US.

Qatar used to play both sides, and did the banking for proxies, and housed thier leaders living in luxury. Think that will continue? I don't.
ill give the dude credit. his oil prognostication hobby has him convinced he sees how this is going to end. i suspect as that he’s heavily shorting the likes of united airlines and the cruise industry. i may not be as smart as him, but my family with deep experience and ties across the energy industry and associated markets feel differently. the fact that he made bets about what was going to happen to the upcoming wide body growth makes me wonder if he’s related to kit darby regard the pilot shortage 20 years ago. either way, it’s irrelevant.
one more thing-remember that peak oil argument from 20 years ago? man, those guys sounded very convincing based on their analysis and facts. they seemed to know something the rest of the industry didn’t.
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Old 04-04-2026 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Uninteresting
ill give the dude credit. his oil prognostication hobby has him convinced he sees how this is going to end. i suspect as that he’s heavily shorting the likes of united airlines and the cruise industry. i may not be as smart as him, but my family with deep experience and ties across the energy industry and associated markets feel differently. the fact that he made bets about what was going to happen to the upcoming wide body growth makes me wonder if he’s related to kit darby regard the pilot shortage 20 years ago. either way, it’s irrelevant.
one more thing-remember that peak oil argument from 20 years ago? man, those guys sounded very convincing based on their analysis and facts. they seemed to know something the rest of the industry didn’t.
Based on this statement zero chance you have any family with professional working knowledge of the energy market otherwise you would state something more concrete than "feels differently".

I don't short so another swing a miss. I'd tell you to keep trying but I'll save you time and give you my playbook.

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BTU and HCC (Coal)
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UNTC MNR CRK (Natural Gas)
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AGI BTG ITRG SBSW ( Gold and PGM miners)
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Old 04-04-2026 | 11:30 AM
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I hope like all the regime apologists that this doesn’t wreck the world economy. But let’s not pretend that if Biden had done this that you all wouldn’t have lost your collective ****. Some of you are incapable of seeing a different perspective.
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Old 04-04-2026 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
The futures market doing precisely what futures markets do, pricing the consensus expectation that a disruption is temporary. More critically, the futures market and the physical market have broken apart entirely. Dubai crude used to price Asian oil is currently trading at roughly $37 to $40 per barrel above what futures contracts imply, a gap that was less than a dollar before the conflict. Which market would you trust, the one settling in paper, or the one settling in physical barrels?

Invoking the futures curve as evidence against an energy crisis is like pointing to a weather forecast calling for sun next week as proof that the hurricane currently making landfall is grossly premature. The screen and the physical world are telling two different stories. One of them is getting delivered to refiners at $138 a barrel.

The futures curve is also structurally blind to the nat gas dimension entirely. There is no futures curve pricing the reconstruction timeline of Qatar's North Field. There is no long-dated contract market telling you when the LNG supply growth story the market had priced through 2030 gets restored.
So what? All that means is the short term uncertainty and disruption is not expected by the market to continue. They are putting their money where their mouth is.
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Old 04-04-2026 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
So what? All that means is the short term uncertainty and disruption is not expected by the market to continue. They are putting their money where their mouth is.
Before the Great Financial Crisis Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS) were trading as if the underlying loans were sound. The ratings agencies (Moody's, S&P) had blessed them with investment-grade ratings, and institutional demand was so voracious that spreads were compressed to levels that made no economic sense given the actual loan quality underneath.

Dr. Michael Burry famously shorted them via Credit Default Swaps. Because the market believed these bonds were safe, the CDS premiums Burry paid to insure against default were cheap. He was essentially buying fire insurance on a house that was already smoldering, at rates priced as if there was no fire risk. His downside was capped at the annual premium. His upside was the full notional value of the bonds going to zero.

Just like the MBS buyers were relying on ratings rather than reading the actual loan tapes, oil futures buyers are relying on diplomatic convention and historical mean reversion rather than stress-testing the actual physical infrastructure vulnerabilities. The complexity of global oil routing is the equivalent of the CDO prospectus nobody read.

Be very careful hanging your hat on the positioning of Wall Street traders


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Old 04-04-2026 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I HOPE IM WRONG

But I don't think any deal is reached with jet fuel at $200/barrel and poised to go significantly higher. Americans and the market right now are extremely complacent about what's coming if this middle east crisis is not resolved very soon.

It will be the greatest energy crisis of our generation. One for the history books. And we are all sleep walking right into it.

If 20% of the world's Oil, Gas, and Fertilizer supply remains offline a pilot contract will be among the LEAST of our worries.

PREPARE YOURSELVES
No offense, but the last time you posted something like this you changed your tune within 3 days. I would recommend a "wait and see" approach.

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Old 04-04-2026 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
The Engage podcast is much clearer than the email in stating that this is the approach ALPA is seeking.

Personally, I think it’s the wrong approach. Time is on our side as management continues to sweat through massive coverage costs. But I’ll withhold further judgement until details are released.
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Old 04-04-2026 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Whatever....you always act like the smartest person in the room, you're not.

I'm back on topic now. Can't wait to read the email on Monday.
I’m usually on your side and I agree with you on the contract. But come on, I’m still waiting on Tucker and Kent to be hauled in on charges from the FBI. Any day now…You can’t call out people and then not acknowledge your post history. But yeah, we have the company here and I’m totally in agreement with their strategy and it is exactly as I filled out my contract survey. Get me more pay and more time off. Make it simple and you don’t have to touch 100 parts of the contract.
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Old 04-05-2026 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I’m usually on your side and I agree with you on the contract. But come on, I’m still waiting on Tucker and Kent to be hauled in on charges from the FBI. Any day now…You can’t call out people and then not acknowledge your post history. But yeah, we have the company here and I’m totally in agreement with their strategy and it is exactly as I filled out my contract survey. Get me more pay and more time off. Make it simple and you don’t have to touch 100 parts of the contract.
But how exactly can be dangerous (looking at you optimizer). Be careful how you wish for things.
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