Originally Posted by immolated

No way they're going to divide the gummster fire value out to the entire pilot group. Why should those sitting on their couch capture the value generated by those hustling on their days off?

Give the value to those who are working extra. More like $23m/6,000. (I made that number up, I don't know what % of pilots fly premium every month, but it's not 17,500).

For example with a QS, 3x/4x payout should go to the pilot flying the trip. They put the slip in, they intended to fly the trip, they got the trip done. They also volunteered for unlimited batch size phone harassment. This also prevents overlapping 23m7 type payouts and lets it be leveled.

Originally Posted by crewdawg

As an aside, it's amazing how many pilotsa act like they were threatened by a black polo. What are they going to do? Grow a spine and tell them to get bent.

Originally Posted by Trip7

We are the highest paid airline pilots in the world. The company identified the Greenslip pay issue and paid it back promptly. Figuring out pay is not very difficult.

This woe is me attitude from folks making $300-500k+ to the point where you have to troll young GO workers is beneath Delta Pilots. You're better than this

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Um no... a fortune 100 company should be better than this , or so they keep telling us.

Originally Posted by Trip7

IMO we either get a TA within the next 2 weeks or nothing for at least 18 months. Signs are continuing to emerge of deep distress in jet fuel supply

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

Just so we avoid the implication to the contrary, I genuinely appreciate the negotiation efforts, pain, and suffering the pilot group went through before I got to Delta to produce the nice contract we have today. Seriously.

The killing them with kindness routine is not to get flight ops to be nice to us. I completely agree that will have no effect and it’s not the intention. And I agree that hats off or bright colored lanyards will annoy them and more importantly shows unity.

But being nice to passengers while the operation is continually a dumpster fire isn’t going to “produce nice results” for flight ops. Non-cancelled and on time trips are infinitely more important than a tiny NPS boost from me saying bye to a passenger. Continuing to be a decent person reduces the credibility of a narrative that says pilots are greedy, difficult people. So we win by not being viewed unnecessarily in a negative light without giving up any significant negotiating position.

I do not see how being difficult with passengers and other employees is going to get us anything. Other employees do have power to make our lives more or less pleasant in small ways (no matter how much the captain is in charge or has the parking brake). Why increase animosity with them when we aren’t negotiating with them and they have no ability to influence the outcome? It’s pretty obvious flight ops is going to continue trying to malign us as a group and I’m simply advocating to improve—or at least not worsen—things outside of the section 6 battlefield. I may be new here, but I’m not new at being a human being or dealing with people.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

are you for real? these clowns make thousands of pay errors a month. In their own favor. They either can't figure it out, or realize how much they'll lose if they can't keep stealing our money and blaming "IT."

Originally Posted by Trip7

Yes I'm for real. Widgetcrew makes it's easy. Even if one doesn't want to get a subscription, add up time card, subtract 1/2 of ALV, multiply by pay rate, compare with paycheck on the 15th

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux

If 18+ months, at least the "no hat crowd" will be happy.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Yes I'm for real. Widgetcrew makes it's easy. Even if one doesn't want to get a subscription, add up time card, subtract 1/2 of ALV, multiply by pay rate, compare with paycheck on the 15th