Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-21-2012, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I say no to all of your questions and ask another.
I wonder if the reason swa makes so much more than us is because they have such a strong scope clause. After all, you'd think if you exchanged scope for money you'd make more money than a pilot group that hasn't.
Maybe the lesson is when you sell scope, you sell out on your own pay and not the other way around?
I wonder if the reason swa makes so much more than us is because they have such a strong scope clause. After all, you'd think if you exchanged scope for money you'd make more money than a pilot group that hasn't.
Maybe the lesson is when you sell scope, you sell out on your own pay and not the other way around?
If there is a cost difference, then the difference must be made up for by the flexibility of 2 vs 1 jet.
If the costs are similar, then I contend the 76 seat jet is preferable (to the company) over the -800.
05-21-2012, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
I think the only large productivity advantage SWA has anymore is the near-total lack of training churn.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...er%20Month.htm
05-21-2012, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA in 2010 averaged over 20 percent more block hours per pilot then Delta. Historically they have done even better but they were overstaffed with the reductions in flying in 2010.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...er%20Month.htm
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...er%20Month.htm
How many times does that have to be refuted before you give up on it?
05-21-2012, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
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05-21-2012, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
A CONTRACT 7 MONTHS EARLY. There should be no big picture. EVERY area of the contract should be a "wow that is nice." The comany is going to be VERY happy to have a contract now not in two years. We should get the same feeling. Sounds to me that you know what is in the TA and the pay stinks and so the union is preaching "big picture"
05-21-2012, 05:16 AM
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Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service - Yahoo! Finance
Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service
Not an RJ expansion, for once.
Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service
Not an RJ expansion, for once.
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05-21-2012, 05:23 AM
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BULL TALK
"You have to look at the contract as a whole."
"Well, we gave a lot to the pilots but you, as board members and stock holders, are only going to get marginal returns. If you look at what we gave the pilots, it really is not that much compared to the benifit of us getting the contract done early."
Reality
The company is going to make BILlIONs in the next few years. An early TA. It better be a slam dunk or they should have talked longer. Unless the unions expectations were so low that the company could easily meet the NC requests.
"You have to look at the contract as a whole."
"Well, we gave a lot to the pilots but you, as board members and stock holders, are only going to get marginal returns. If you look at what we gave the pilots, it really is not that much compared to the benifit of us getting the contract done early."
Reality
The company is going to make BILlIONs in the next few years. An early TA. It better be a slam dunk or they should have talked longer. Unless the unions expectations were so low that the company could easily meet the NC requests.
05-21-2012, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by exeagle
Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service - Yahoo! Finance
Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service
Not an RJ expansion, for once.
Delta Continues New York Growth with Expanded Caribbean, Bermuda, Florida Service
Not an RJ expansion, for once.
05-21-2012, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Sailing;
How many times does that have to be refuted before you give up on it?
How many times does that have to be refuted before you give up on it?
If anyone can provide evidence to back up their SWA block per pilot per year math I'd love to see it.
05-21-2012, 05:35 AM
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Boyd has our TA and we DONT!
From this week's HotFlash
Management Consultants Have Delta's TA before Delta's Pilots!
Now, put this in context. The majority of 50-seaters will be retired due to escalating costs. The next step up - 66/70 seat CRJs are a potential, but it's more likely that carrier systems will seek 80-110 seat airliners such as the CRJ-900/1000 and the E-190 platforms as fleet additions. (Remember, it's NOT seat capacity that drives airline fleet decisions - it's sector costs. As the expense of hurling 50-seaters through the sky goes up, the sector cost variance between these aircraft and larger versions shrinks markedly.)
That brings us to a new reality: It's becoming more and more obvious that it will be mainline airlines that fly these new aircraft fleets. There are two clear indications. The first is what US Airways has reportedly discussed with American's pilot's union. The second - and more immediately concrete - is the tentative agreement between Delta and ALPA. Both include aircraft in the E-190 size category, and in the case of Delta, it even mentions the CRJ-900.
That brings us to a new reality: It's becoming more and more obvious that it will be mainline airlines that fly these new aircraft fleets. There are two clear indications. The first is what US Airways has reportedly discussed with American's pilot's union. The second - and more immediately concrete - is the tentative agreement between Delta and ALPA. Both include aircraft in the E-190 size category, and in the case of Delta, it even mentions the CRJ-900.
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