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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1202925)
LA has some of the worst trips I have seen in part because of the island flying. Your numbers however are not true. In June in the 767 category the daily average paid was 5.20 minutes. Thats for any calender day that touched a trip. There were a lot of 3 day trips with 30 to 32 hours TAFB. The average line was 81.8 hours and the average pilot had 15.6 days off or worked 14.4
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1202925)
LA has some of the worst trips I have seen in part because of the island flying. Your numbers however are not true. In June in the 767 category the daily average paid was 5.20 minutes. Thats for any calender day that touched a trip. There were a lot of 3 day trips with 30 to 32 hours TAFB. The average line was 81.8 hours and the average pilot had 15.6 days off or worked 14.4
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Originally Posted by cni187
(Post 1202876)
Dude I don't know your background but try 10 years active duty flying cargo on a C-5 in the AF. Then you might know what abused is. 24 hour duty days flying all over the world. This job is cake compared to that.
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
(Post 1202930)
I guess you haven't looked at the 10:30 3 days in the 737 bid pack. We have 4 days with less than 18 hours. My point is the 4:30 daily average guarantee isn't as good of a deal as it has been made out to be and we still have to work too much. I'm glad you consider working 14.4 days OK - especially when SWA pilots are working 12-13 days for MORE MONEY and won't consider working extra for less than premium pay (150%). I don't consider working 14.4 days month (factoring in vacation) a GOOD DEAL when all those days are away from home. I want to go back to 2008 when I worked 12 days (3 4 day trips) and flew over 70 hours - just a pipe dream under this current environment (or the TA). When Management says they need productivity improvements there is nothing preventing them from making 15:45 3 days (no credit time) or 22 hour 4 days (no credit time).
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1202929)
You must have flown some extremely well maintained C-5s because the stats on the plane for the 29yrs I was associated with the AF was between a 70-80% in commission rate. With a rate like that, you cant be constantly abused.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually. This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically. The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck. |
Originally Posted by cni187
(Post 1202876)
Dude I don't know your background but try 10 years active duty flying cargo on a C-5 in the AF. Then you might know what abused is. 24 hour duty days flying all over the world. This job is cake compared to that.
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1202929)
You must have flown some extremely well maintained C-5s because the stats on the plane for the 29yrs I was associated with the AF was between a 70-80% in commission rate. With a rate like that, you cant be constantly abused.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually. This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically. The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1202936)
I'll raise your 10 years on Fred and put down my 20 years on the Star Lizard. Yep, I still feel abused.
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1202860)
It's crazy we are even having this discussion about eroding quality of life further in this contract isn't it? Those of us who have previously been abused at other jobs don't want that to happen here. Again, please remind me.....is this a concessionary contract being negotiated with an unprofitable company soon after Sept 11, 2001?
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1202937)
If the LAX pilots were as good as Alaska pilots then they could get a 5 hour daily guarantee:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
(Post 1203002)
If the LAX pilots were as good as the Alaska pilots, we would actually have flying on the west coast. Look at Alaska's route map to the islands from California; all I think is "HOLLY S..T, why aren't we doing that!" And then reality sets in where I realize, we are: DL passengers are on all those flights. Thanks DALPA for f..king LAX (or looking past) once again.
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