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06-01-2012, 09:16 PM

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Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Denny,

I'm not starting that rumor. I'm just saying, to compete we have to have the right sized aircraft to capture and maximize revenue flows. Those airplanes will be flown by Delta pilots. The 717 (and to some extent the damned 76 seaters) are the right size. Think about what we are allowed to put on Alaska's airplanes ... those numbers correlate with our new fleet kinda nicely 'eh? It probably means more in New York, but I'd sure like to see some 717's out west.

Management is happy ceding revenue if they can't fly it and make a buck. Having a mainline fleet that does not have many options below 160 seats is a problem. However, when we have the right tool for the job and can make a buck, that is what management would prefer to do.

Alaska is not "free." When our passengers get on their airplanes that is lost revenue for us.

Didn't mean to imply you were starting that rumor, if I did so, sorry.

It would be nice to actually compete with AK rather than cede flying to them. (I know we don't collude 'cause that's illegal.

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I do hope this "wishful thinking" (based on good judgment) comes to fruition.

Different subject, do you have any idea what the price of oil needs to be at to make the 50 seaters viable again?

Denny

06-01-2012, 09:22 PM

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Boomer

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

Oh yeah. He definitely wanted to meet her. Check out the last chapter of my first book.

Just finished it; that's where the notion came from. By the way, there's a typo on page 133 - "Members of the Delta Forced poured from a following C-141..." Or maybe you caught it already.

06-01-2012, 09:23 PM

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Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Different subject, do you have any idea what the price of oil needs to be at to make the 50 seaters viable again?

Denny

Answered in the other thread.

06-01-2012, 09:32 PM

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Denny Crane

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Answered in the other thread.

DOH! Thanks!

Denny

06-01-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Different subject, do you have any idea what the price of oil needs to be at to make the 50 seaters viable again?

Considering the very costly high-cycle heavy check, they would have to create oil to be worth it. These one-time overhauls are supposedly so cost-prohibitive, it's cheaper to just buy a used one on the black market. I don't know if Delta has even done one yet; Comair's aircraft were just scrapped.

06-01-2012, 09:58 PM

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Denny and Bar, posted a table for you in the TA has a flaw thread.

06-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

Are they really saying that? I would think the 717's would probably be based in ATL and DTW mainly. I agree with you, why would the company compete with Alaska in LAX (and SEA too) when they don't have to........

Denny

No they are not selling that. I really don't know what they are selling at the LAX Kool-Aid stand. Out west, we have really nothing to gain. I've been in the same seat for a decade except a teaser 73N-A position for a year or so.

DALPA DOES NOT REPRESENT LAX PILOTS. The previous post about buying the cow while the milk is free says it all. BUT!!!!!! What if those cows were in ATL? The milkers of those cows would care A LOT more.

06-02-2012, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by orvil

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

No hurt feelings, but I think the level of discourse here has hit a new low, at least when we're in disagreement.

06-02-2012, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

True, for the 76. Take a gander at the 73 trips. More appropriately, take a look at the trips in open time for the category. This TA does not address the three-day MCO red eyes that report late and earn you the whopping total of 10.3. Under this TA, those remain....and they'll remain in open time.

I took a look at the 73. The average day worked was 4.94 hours. That includes 30 hour trips that touch 3 days. The average line was 79 hours and the average pilot had 16.12 days off working 13.78 days. Again the trips looked ugly to me. LA is probably one of the worst bases for trip construction but not as bad as posted.
Keep in mind that in both the 76 and 73 these are lines as awarded. A significant number of pilots will improve their lines through swaps and drops/pickups. As on the 767 this includes vacation since its to hard to break out and was CA lines only.