Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-01-2012, 04:06 PM
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06-01-2012, 04:52 PM
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Well in that case what are we fighting for. Lets combine the worst pay with the worst work rules we can find and ask for that. Keeping our current work rules/QOL or making things better shouldn't even be on the table if we can find some place it was worse. I like your logic!
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06-01-2012, 05:26 PM
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ACL,
It's worse than that in some bases. If you look at LAX bid packs (unless you're very senior) the trips rarely average more than 4:30/day (so let's celebrate 4:30) and not all trips will benefit from the new trip rigs (and anyone who thinks they won't move some of the red-eyes after 2200 is kidding themselves). At 4:30 in 72 ALV month that means working 16 days/month and in an 84 ALV month that means working 18.7 days. If I wanted to work that many days I would find a job that let's me sleep in my own bed every night and pays more. Oh by the way, some of those 10:30 three days in LAX still aren't eliminated with the new 4:30 guarantee so my number of days of work may be low.
It's worse than that in some bases. If you look at LAX bid packs (unless you're very senior) the trips rarely average more than 4:30/day (so let's celebrate 4:30) and not all trips will benefit from the new trip rigs (and anyone who thinks they won't move some of the red-eyes after 2200 is kidding themselves). At 4:30 in 72 ALV month that means working 16 days/month and in an 84 ALV month that means working 18.7 days. If I wanted to work that many days I would find a job that let's me sleep in my own bed every night and pays more. Oh by the way, some of those 10:30 three days in LAX still aren't eliminated with the new 4:30 guarantee so my number of days of work may be low.
LA has some of the worst trips I have seen in part because of the island flying. Your numbers however are not true. In June in the 767 category the daily average paid was 5.20 minutes. Thats for any calender day that touched a trip. There were a lot of 3 day trips with 30 to 32 hours TAFB. The average line was 81.8 hours and the average pilot had 15.6 days off or worked 14.4
The numbers due include vacation and vacation hours paid.
06-01-2012, 05:35 PM
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In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually.
This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically.
The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
06-01-2012, 05:35 PM
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LA has some of the worst trips I have seen in part because of the island flying. Your numbers however are not true. In June in the 767 category the daily average paid was 5.20 minutes. Thats for any calender day that touched a trip. There were a lot of 3 day trips with 30 to 32 hours TAFB. The average line was 81.8 hours and the average pilot had 15.6 days off or worked 14.4
The numbers due include vacation and vacation hours paid.
The numbers due include vacation and vacation hours paid.
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06-01-2012, 05:45 PM
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LA has some of the worst trips I have seen in part because of the island flying. Your numbers however are not true. In June in the 767 category the daily average paid was 5.20 minutes. Thats for any calender day that touched a trip. There were a lot of 3 day trips with 30 to 32 hours TAFB. The average line was 81.8 hours and the average pilot had 15.6 days off or worked 14.4
The numbers due include vacation and vacation hours paid.
The numbers due include vacation and vacation hours paid.
06-01-2012, 05:46 PM
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I'll raise your 10 years on Fred and put down my 20 years on the Star Lizard. Yep, I still feel abused.
06-01-2012, 05:48 PM
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I guess you haven't looked at the 10:30 3 days in the 737 bid pack. We have 4 days with less than 18 hours. My point is the 4:30 daily average guarantee isn't as good of a deal as it has been made out to be and we still have to work too much. I'm glad you consider working 14.4 days OK - especially when SWA pilots are working 12-13 days for MORE MONEY and won't consider working extra for less than premium pay (150%). I don't consider working 14.4 days month (factoring in vacation) a GOOD DEAL when all those days are away from home. I want to go back to 2008 when I worked 12 days (3 4 day trips) and flew over 70 hours - just a pipe dream under this current environment (or the TA). When Management says they need productivity improvements there is nothing preventing them from making 15:45 3 days (no credit time) or 22 hour 4 days (no credit time).
06-01-2012, 06:12 PM
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You must have flown some extremely well maintained C-5s because the stats on the plane for the 29yrs I was associated with the AF was between a 70-80% in commission rate. With a rate like that, you cant be constantly abused.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually.
This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically.
The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually.
This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically.
The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
06-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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You must have flown some extremely well maintained C-5s because the stats on the plane for the 29yrs I was associated with the AF was between a 70-80% in commission rate. With a rate like that, you cant be constantly abused.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually.
This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically.
The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
In desert storm, and the alphabet soup conflicts folowing, you were "abused" what, maybe 50-100 times in your 10 years? Maximum? Assuming a 24 hour duty day for 10 times per year results in 240 hours of abuse annually.
This occured when you were 21-31 years old and not 50-65 years old, so theoretically you could handle it better physically.
The point is, you are not as good as you remember. This isn't the military (although the military does compensate better and has hazardous duty pay). An if you have to even make those comparisons, this TA must really, really suck.
Puts a whole new meaning to the words duty day.
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