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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
(Post 1206916)
It's probably the vacation sunburn speaking. Just getting a little tired of 2007 and newer pilots telling me how bad it is. I remember listening to a furloughed pilot in the ATL lounge. Randy something. He told of what it was like to sell everything in his house to pay the bills until they had nothing left and moved into a motel with only two weeks worth of rent left. ACL is saying how great stock would be? No. Money would be good. I'll take it today unless you're going to loan me the $80K I'd lose on a no vote. Money in three years that isn't likely to be more money. Raises for ACL since hired: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and maybe 2013, 2014, 2015 No furlough Flies a wide body As a reserve ER pilot will be looking at a 21% raise in 2013 Not too shabby for a 5th year Why is he the skeptical angry guy here? and really Who gives a rats a$$ about Gulfstreams? I don't want those guys on the seniority list and I don't want to fly their jets without duty rigs. Talk bout a can of worms.
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
(Post 1206937)
Too true and those were the 5 year panel guys and not flying a wide body based where you live. It's going to be grand for the newer guys if this works out.
The Christmas Carol for ACL 2008-2013 ACL at Alaska (would he move to SEA or Mexico?) 17% raise ACL at AWA/LCC probably furloughed and 0% raise (dues still at 1.95%) ACL at AMR junior M88 reserve pilot 1.5% raise furloughed soon see 1113 ACL at CAL 2% raise hates DH rules and trip rigs ACL at Delta 24% raise ER copilot in his base! ACL with the TA 40% raise! ACL at FedEx (might like Subic) 12% raise but wear's shades at night ACL at HAL (lives through 1113) 12% raise not too shabby for mediation but there's that HNL thing ACL at SWA 7% raise (minus type rating) goes to PBR in LAS each year ACL at UAL furloughed misses 4% raise wonders if he gets on the SLI ACL at UPS probably furloughed might get 13% raise Someone I ferrying earlier that the furlough protections are better and as a result the accumulator I speak of would be new hires not protected by the la gauge does not seem right. Less green slips is not something that effects me, again. More pay is great but again it does not do much for me either way. You don't know me even if you think you do. For the record: Never applied at united, turned down SWA, turned down cal, never applied at FDX, applied and was hired at world and an international carrier. Chose Dal, lucky you. Trying to spin this the way that you are is a great attempt an trying to discredit me, and that's fine. What I have as concerns in this agreement will not effect me. I will get displaced next year with our without this agreement. Heck I may get displaced this fall. None of what I see today or in a displacement bid effect my decisions on this TA. I am looking down the road and stress testing the language. Simple as that. Thanks for the Christmas card carol. Who knew you cared. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
(Post 1206945)
You haven't been stagnated here in only 5 or less years on the property. No way no how. Try sitting sideways for years getting into the right seat and then going back to the panel before going back to the right seat again. Did I mention that's a minimum of 3 bases? I'll give you a hint. Way more than 5 years. This TA provides a mechanism for mainline growth and DCI shrinkage. You're probably too young to remember but you've got a good deal, you have to decide if a donkey is behind door number 3 or if a donkey is behind both doors that are closed?
Where I got stagnated was at DCI for six years because Dal order 642 rj's before C2k was even agreed to. I love my job at Dal. I want the company to succeed but I want gains to be linear and the protections to be tight. I hate paying more for the cure than I would for the prevention. |
Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
(Post 1206947)
You added the word "guarantee" into this. I believe the TA will add 88 airframes and will move block hours from DCI to mainline. It was quoted that worst case fleet growth is 40 airframes. That's 40 more than today and with protection from shrinking and less DCI. One force majure event in our history and one 1113. How many times has the contract language been used against us to our detriment? Really something that's cost guys jobs since the furloughs stopped almost a decade ago? What loophole has been used to get one over on us? Where have we been raked over the coals by management outside of 1113? You guys are finding loopholes where they don't exist. You are so driven to find a flaw you are introducing your own error into the equation.
Problem is, this airline is decreasing domestic seat miles. The 2011 10-K shows a 1% decline. So why would it all of a sudden grow and where would it grow? |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1206958)
I agree with your post completely. Many of the ideas are really good it's the downside stuff that concerns me. We will probably not have to stress test any of it in the next three years, it's beyond that when the loopholes will cost dearly to fix.
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It seems to me after reading this board for some time that it's the guys who grew up in RJ land that have the biggest problem with scope and the ex mil guys just don't care whatsoever about scope. Is this correct and why?
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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver
(Post 1206937)
Too true and those were the 5 year panel guys and not flying a wide body based where you live. It's going to be grand for the newer guys if this works out.
The Christmas Carol for ACL 2008-2013 ACL at Alaska (would he move to SEA or Mexico?) 17% raise ACL at AWA/LCC probably furloughed and 0% raise (dues still at 1.95%) ACL at AMR junior M88 reserve pilot 1.5% raise furloughed soon see 1113 ACL at CAL 2% raise hates DH rules and trip rigs ACL at Delta 24% raise ER copilot in his base! ACL with the TA 40% raise! ACL at FedEx (might like Subic) 12% raise but wear's shades at night ACL at HAL (lives through 1113) 12% raise not too shabby for mediation but there's that HNL thing ACL at SWA 7% raise (minus type rating) goes to PBR in LAS each year ACL at UAL furloughed misses 4% raise wonders if he gets on the SLI ACL at UPS probably furloughed might get 13% raise I'm really not sure what your point is, really. Why is it wrong for a pilot, ACL, to try to get educated and cast a competent vote? He should want to get educated about what he is voting for if he has to live under it. Just because he didn't have to walk to school uphill both ways in shoulder deep snow, like you, doesn't mean what he brings up isn't valid. We don't have the panel anymore...so what? Should we re-institute the "GIB" program? I don't understand why anyone with a view on history could even consider further outsourcing large RJs. It is below my seniority, but it still affects me. At HAL and FDX, ACL would either be close or able to hold Captain. Would that make his questions more or less valid? |
Originally Posted by cni187
(Post 1206997)
It seems to me after reading this board for some time that it's the guys who grew up in RJ land that have the biggest problem with scope and the ex mil guys just don't care whatsoever about scope. Is this correct and why?
I'm ex-mil and frankly as this industry and job have morphed, I have become anti-outsourcing. For me, what seat the mil pilot hires into isn't even a shadow in my thought process. Can someone please tell me what I'm supposed to think?:confused::confused: |
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