It's probably the vacation sunburn speaking. Just getting a little tired of 2007 and newer pilots telling me how bad it is. I remember listening to a furloughed pilot in the ATL lounge. Randy something. He told of what it was like to sell everything in his house to pay the bills until they had nothing left and moved into a motel with only two weeks worth of rent left. ACL is saying how great stock would be? No. Money would be good. I'll take it today unless you're going to loan me the $80K I'd lose on a no vote. Money in three years that isn't likely to be more money. Raises for ACL since hired: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and maybe 2013, 2014, 2015 No furlough Flies a wide body As a reserve ER pilot will be looking at a 21% raise in 2013 Not too shabby for a 5th year Why is he the skeptical angry guy here? and really Who gives a rats a$$ about Gulfstreams? I don't want those guys on the seniority list and I don't want to fly their jets without duty rigs. Talk bout a can of worms.

No money for pilots - YouTube


Interesting video....

My notes suck a$$ but I think these are right. Two pilots sit in the front and we need more pilots to fly our planes than they do because of our work rules. I'm not going to haggle over 6 extra seats in the back when AMR is going for 88 seats in a 100 seat hull in two classes. Hello 717 in three classes.

DAL TA 450 capped currently not capped and at 600
UAL/CAL 555 not capped
LCC 558 not capped
AMR 1113 proposal 794 not capped
The APA offer to USAirways 880 not capped

The APA offer to management includes 308 51-81 and 352 70 seaters What has 81 seats? CRJ-900 (our 76) or the CRJ-1000 First class with economy and extra legroom.

APA is hoping for the best thing to be 660 vs our 325 and you aren't sure what's better?

Maybe because ACL came up through the RJ ranks and has seen first hand what poor consecutive decisions yield. Have to be careful with this, keep it a profession. If it is allowed to degenerate to the level of blue collar, good luck going forward. Perhaps these post 2007 hires are on to something you are not.

Check this out, TA pg. 1-14, line 14. "The company's compliance with the minimum ratio of MBH to DBH will be measured for the first time on July 1, 2014 and then measured again each succeeding July 1 thereafter, ..."


Holy Sierra Batman. So much for block hour protections until the next Section 6. This is just one of many problems I have with this TA . Please make it go away....

Agree APA propellered the pooch.

Yes they are on to sustainable and consistent raises and increasing mainline fleet numbers (TA) and rapidly approaching retirements with an increasing DC and no loss of pension to start with. This will be a golden age for his group.

^^^ Agree unless we Richard it up. If it makes you feel better I know pilots that have been displaced 6 times, can't hold their original base and have spent half a decade commuting to reserve. Quite honestly not sure what motivates them to stay. Hope?

This TA does not guarantee increasing mainline fleet numbers. It does, however, help to ensure that DCI will be around farther in the future.

Too true and those were the 5 year panel guys and not flying a wide body based where you live. It's going to be grand for the newer guys if this works out.

The Christmas Carol for ACL 2008-2013
ACL at Alaska (would he move to SEA or Mexico?) 17% raise
ACL at AWA/LCC probably furloughed and 0% raise (dues still at 1.95%)
ACL at AMR junior M88 reserve pilot 1.5% raise furloughed soon see 1113
ACL at CAL 2% raise hates DH rules and trip rigs
ACL at Delta 24% raise ER copilot in his base!
ACL with the TA 40% raise!
ACL at FedEx (might like Subic) 12% raise but wear's shades at night
ACL at HAL (lives through 1113) 12% raise not too shabby for mediation but there's that HNL thing
ACL at SWA 7% raise (minus type rating) goes to PBR in LAS each year
ACL at UAL furloughed misses 4% raise wonders if he gets on the SLI
ACL at UPS probably furloughed might get 13% raise

Never said it does, it guarantees that if we shrink everyone shrinks. I'm okay with that because that's not happening today. I'll take the wager on 88 airframes on top of the actual orders vs today's DCI fleet.

The NMB is like a bankruptcy judge. They don't care about us they only care about making sure Delta stays in business. Nothing in the TA makes it to the NMB and Delta says wahhhhhhhhhh we need APA's scope after all they came up with it themselves.