I agree, the economy sucks and DAL will move capacity to where it makes sense and is most profitable. This TA will not stop that if it is voted down or not. The ER guys (i am one of them) will just fly the 737 for todays rates and the sting will be that much more. I do not follow logic the previous post, sounds compelling but non sensical.

What are you talking about? You don't make any sense.

This sounds entitled/selfish? Based on what, the realization that the company's promises of growth are smoke and mirrors. If we reduce widebody flying I don't think we will need more pilots....there are more concessions in this TA than there are positives.

I will vote no tomorrow because this TA was a rush job and it falls short of my expectations in many areas, plain and simple.

When you can make mature, reasonable, debates I'll re-engage you. Until then, I'm out. You're not helping your cause.

Then why bother? Better off with my union dues staying in my pocket, instead of paying admission to a zero sum game.

I've put Sailor on my ignore list...I tried to engage him in a thoughtful discussion and I like hearing differing opinions, but he resorted to condescension & general rudeness. I'm sure his heart is broken.

I am not sure where dues come into play. My point is really that DALPA can only go back and negotiate again. Demanding is not going to do it IMO. The company will not give in unless they get something in return. Zero would be turning this TA down and going back, you would still be paying dues. This TA and its time frame is a positive in tough economic times. I am willing to move forward and capitalize on further opportunities.

I'm going to quote MSP LEC Chairman Steve Mayer who said that he was positive that the company would pay more to ensure TA passage. Again I think this TA will pass anyway, and we'll all move on.

Not a bad plan Sir. I prefer those who are capable of conversation without slinging insults.

Ahhhhh now you see it my friend. With these guys, every dollar in your pocket is a dollar that ain't in theirs! Us northies went on strike and we still debate what we got for it. A PHASE OUT of B scale, a good thing. The NWA version of ALV, not such a good thing:D

Anyway, sorta TIC......only sorta

And I respect that. Everyone has their own standards.