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acl65pilot 06-24-2012 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 1218282)
Hey ACL, I can't find anything that mentions a 1.76-1, but I think the math actually works out to 3% from the 1.56. I think.

So for the accumulator, if we are talking about parking airplanes, is roughly 17 narrow body aircraft for our current fleet today? Or the block hour equivalent of that? Or 20 airplanes if we get the 90's and 717's?

Roughly. The "intent" was to have them be a dual accumulator. They will be but not until we are first, which we are now The full intent was not achieved, and still leaves us to constrict first.

Remember this is just domestic 767(non ER) and below flying and does not include international pulldown or up tick.

I have the slide, but will not publish it. I looked though my files and had it from right when the TA came out. Slow and Alfa referenced the number on here at well.

Again, my point and contention came from the fact that we still will see the first round our two of contraction before we even get close to DCI having to contract.

Ferd149 06-24-2012 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1218231)
No cheerleading but, dude, we are way over due for some bar talk. We could solve all kinds of problems.

Ok, well, nobody else would care, but think of the possibilities. A fighter dude and an airlifter? Einstein.

I'm there! Einstein will be proud:cool: Can I bring my little boy Clamp, he's really good with bar maids......something about "hezzzzzzz soooooooo cuteeeeeee":D

Ferd

PS. No pole dancers in PDX tonight either, ok ok it is Sunday

Waves 06-24-2012 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1218232)
Waves,

I voted no. If the TA passes-- and I think it will-- I will pray we expand like gangbusters and things work out just like the MEC said they would.

I would much rather be wrong than proven right. Unlike some, sitting on the sideline and throwing rocks does not sound appealing to me.

Too funny, If the TA Fails and we recapture gains, I would enjoy eating crow. Munch, munch, munch.

Waves 06-24-2012 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1218266)
For me we can rationalize the gains, but the quids are what made my decision hard. Pay is temporary, but work rules and scope are difficult to fix once gone.

Yeah, I can't effectively argue with that my friend. As a past perpetual no voter, it truly pains me to abandon this fight and vote yes, but I truly think that renegotiating this TA will only derive minimal gains while incurring huge risk and potentially lost opportunity. Only time will tell who is correct. Let me make this perfectly clear: I respect the fighters. Without you guys we would be working for McDonald wages. I would like to consider myself as one of you, but shamefully I don’t qualify this round. Keep up the fight my friends. Fires at the home front. Must run!

80ktsClamp 06-24-2012 07:02 PM


DLpilot 06-24-2012 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Waves (Post 1218290)
Yeah, I can't effectively argue with that my friend. As a past perpetual no voter, it truly pains me to abandon this fight and vote yes, but I truly think that renegotiating this TA will only derive minimal gains while incurring huge risk and potentially lost opportunity. Only time will tell who is correct. Let me make this perfectly clear: I respect the fighters. Without you guys we would be working for McDonald wages. I would like to consider myself as one of you, but shamefully I don’t qualify this round. Keep up the fight my friends. Fires at the home front. Must run!

Probably the same can be said for saying yes to this TA. Minimal gains, huge risk, and potential lost opportunity. Either way, we will all have to accept the results and keep fighting. If it goes opposite of my vote, I genuinely hope that I was wrong.

forgot to bid 06-24-2012 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1218295)

This calls for...

http://www.ebengregory.com/wp-conten...y-confused.png

So I had to look V16 up on a map, hoping this dude was following a 221 course. It took me a while but once I finally figured out how to read the LIFR chart I saw 221 was right. But you can fly 221 on your perfect compass, have 221 dialed on the VOR and your GPS showing you on 221, and be in LAX. Who knows, she wins I'm sure, but I was kind of hoping for a gotchya moment.

newKnow 06-24-2012 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1218236)
Johnny Ringo was just wound too tight.

Johnny Ringo: My fight's not with you, Holliday.
Doc Holliday: I beg to differ, sir. We started a game we never got to finish. "Play for Blood," remember?
Johnny Ringo: Oh that. I was just foolin' about.
Doc Holliday: I wasn't.



Not too many characters better than Doc Holliday..... :D

Boomer 06-24-2012 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1218170)
I'm completely with you that the ratio could be a little tighter. You have to get a ratio provision first. This happens now, we tighten it in 2.75 years on our next opener (or sooner if any "other" things happen before then).

I would absolutely LOVE to see sun-setting on all DCI.

If a large percentage of the DCI fleet is new 76-seat aircraft, a sunset will not happen in 2.75 years. The new aircraft that TA 2012 lets under the tent could be here well into the 2030s.

Parking new aircraft will be too expensive for the beancounters, just like parking the 50s are today.

Boomer 06-24-2012 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1218172)
Had the deal been for 777s instead of 717s, one memo would have been sufficient, and it would have passed.

Cheers
George

That's crazy talk George. Nobody orders 88 Boeing 777s! :D

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