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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1218235)

.... And fightings just my game. :D

Johnny Ringo was just wound too tight.

PIREP: No pole dancing conventions in Livonia.

I'll get some sleep tonight!

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1218237)

PIREP: No pole dancing conventions in Livonia.

I'll get some sleep tonight!

Go get some Spicy Garlic Wings. Yummo!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1218239)

Go get some Spicy Garlic Wings. Yummo!

Check.

Cheap beer from Bridget. Check.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1218232)

Waves,

I voted no. If the TA passes-- and I think it will-- I will pray we expand like gangbusters and things work out just like the MEC said they would.

I would much rather be wrong than proven right. Unlike some, sitting on the sideline and throwing rocks does not sound appealing to me.

I feel the same way. I hope in 3 years, we sign another quick contract with real "industry leading" rates and we are hiring like crazy. I hope our pilot group is back up to 12,500 pilots and then some. I personally do not think that will happen. I also thought our raises with this TA would be a lot higher than they are and we would lower our large rj cap as the contracts expire. I was wrong on both of those accounts. Let's just hope I continue being wrong.

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Originally Posted by Waves (Post 1218208)

Sorry FTB, but no matter how you slant this thing, it still looks to me like more flying for us and less flying for them. We go from 598 to 450 RJ’s and we go from 56%/46% mainline vs DCI domestic block hours to a minimum 61%/39%. Not sure why you think caps are negotiable after the contract is signed. Whether or not we still get the 717’s if the TA goes down in flames is anybody’s guess. I have a feeling that after a punitive measure of some sort we actually would, but I wouldn’t bet my first beer on it. If you want to risk Bill’s A seat in an attempt to squeeze the company a little harder, then you will have to deal with him when Air Umpty Squat buys the 717’s instead.

Waves, not slanting. Reading.

Here is a question, what happens to the amount of seat inventory (just a flat out seat count) DAL has now and once this refleeting is finished if we just add 717s as all growth, count the current DC9s out, 739s come in as 1:1 replacements with say all the 763s and remaining 752s, and we get the MD90s to 65 and DCI goes 450/325?

I get a good increase, almost 14% over 2012 numbers and I carried that out to 2018. So 2.3% increase YOY on average?

So let's say that's right (and let's hope it is if this thing passes) do you think DAL really will want to grow say 2% average YOY or continue with shrinking a little like 1% average YOY?

Because if you do a B717 1:1 replacement, you can get that inventory (this time in ASMs) to be -1% YOY on average.

What's more likely? Now again, we hope we grow, but say we don't. What do we get in this TA for increasing the 76 seaters? A ratio that allows the 717s to be replacement instead of forcing them to grow us like the PWA?

Doesn't seem like a good deal even if you're okay with moving the 255 cap to 325. And I don't think the caps are negotiable, at least for 3 years, then we can move 325 up again for all the same reasons we just moved it this time.

BTW, if Bill wants an A seat, and if he can't currently hold an A seat, he needs to send this back and demand that guarantee growth be put back into the contract.

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Originally Posted by Waves (Post 1218208)

P.S. Your side of the argument loses credibility when you base part of it on "If we turn down the TA we'll get the 717's anyway." Maybe yes, maybe no. If we take everything on face value, you are completely wrong. We will not be getting the 717's. If we were to use this assumption, then conceivably we could make all sorts of other assumptions and possibly false conclusions as well. Do you really think if the TA is tanked, that RA would just immediately say, “OK guys, you got me. I was bluffing and the 717’s are on the way anyway?” I find that thought process flawed. Just wanted to clarify that point.

If we never got the 717s, with the way this TA is written, fine by me. When I was first told of the 717s in 2010 I specifically told the Board wanted all the 90s and 717s. I'm not sure the Board said, we want 717s if we can get out of the 50 seaters which requires purchasing 76 seaters that are on discount probably double the cost of those 717s.

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1218232)

I understand your no vote. In some ways I even applaud it, but unlike many here, I do not beleive we have the economic strength at this time to make many additional gains. Otherwise I would be in the trenches with you my compadre.

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Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1218213)

Bingo.....why can't I write like that. Oh yeah, I slept through English class.

Ferd (flag on the post, no cheerleading, man law:D)

How Buzz met his wife:

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I didn't sleep through English class. I just didn't get why bother?

but now i know something about capitalization:

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Originally Posted by Waves (Post 1218260)

For me we can rationalize the gains, but the quids are what made my decision hard. Pay is temporary, but work rules and scope are difficult to fix once gone.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1218225)

It was also stated by a few reps in the road shows.

I think Slow has the official numbers. I will look through my slew of communications to find another source for you though.

Slide 56 and 57 of the road show notes show the min versus business plan. Slide 68 of the original road show presentation shows the planned ratio of 1.76 to-1 based on the business plan.

Its all right there in blue versus red.

Hey ACL, I can't find anything that mentions a 1.76-1, but I think the math actually works out to 3% from the 1.56. I think.

So for the accumulator, if we are talking about parking airplanes, is roughly 17 narrow body aircraft for our current fleet today? Or the block hour equivalent of that? Or 20 airplanes if we get the 90's and 717's?