Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1225572)

I never thought about this, I'm going to go look it up. :D

Okay... if you have not finished your initial OE then you are an entry level pilot. But you're given a seniority number on day 1 and the PWA governs how that seniority number is assigned. But if I remember right the union cannot represent you until you are finished.

Hmmm. Well my guess is day 1 if your seniority number is assigned on day 1 then you meet the definition of a pilot.

Did I get it right?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 1225595)

When do you get transitioned to "flight pay?" Is it retro to a point or event?

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1225519)

As long as people are willing to pay for their hotels, Delta will not. Once interviews begin and pilot do not show or Delta has issues filling classes; you might see paid-for hotels.

TEN

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1225608)

You transition to flight pay status when you get an “OK” on the schedule upon completion of IOE.

But did we change how the salary as paid as current and the flight pay in arrears when we transitioned the end of month pay?

Let me go look.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1225665)

A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1225665)

A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1225561)

As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.

We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.

If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.

Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.

To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1225561)

As I see it, there is a basic flaw in this discussion. You are using a flawed comparision metric.

We aren't looking at this if we are new managers of a multinational corporation.

If you were hired to do a job at Exxon or JP Morgan in management, you can bet that you would receive a hotel room and a stipend during your training period. You would not be expected to pick up the tab. If you were hired as a new sales representative at Proctor and Gamble, you can bet that your travel expenses would be reimbursed. Furthermore, if you were transferred by Microsoft, you would recieve a generous moving package including help with selling your house.

Why do we sell ourselves short because we are in the airline travel business? Are you a valued new employee or not? This applies to old hires as well. New hire and relocation expenses are the bastard step child of the Company.

To rub salt in the wound, don't new hire F/A's stay at the training center?

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1225665)

A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.