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johnso29 10-30-2012 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1284920)
The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.

If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.

No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it back.


I can't believe how hard some people want to work. Get a hobby. (NOT directed @ you Timbo)

Elvis90 10-30-2012 07:37 AM

It's the end of October, and I'm reviewing how much others on reserve have worked. Does it seem like a fair distribution of workload that those junior on reserve have logged 74 hours while those senior on reserve have logged 10 hours or less? Was this the intent of the new reserve scheduling system?

Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?

Scoop 10-30-2012 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1284920)
The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.

If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.

No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement.


These are words of wisdom Fellas. :)

Scoop

LeineLodge 10-30-2012 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1284924)
It's the end of October, and I'm reviewing how much others on reserve have worked. Does it seem like a fair distribution of workload that those junior on reserve have logged 74 hours while those senior on reserve have logged 10 hours or less? Was this the intent of the new reserve scheduling system?

Or maybe another question would be, is this a smart way to do business?

Junior guys work weekends (typically). That's when a majority of trips get covered. They will naturally fly more

RetiredFTS 10-30-2012 07:41 AM

does someone get paid with a NQAT status? also, is per diem paid during training away from base? Thank you.

Elvis90 10-30-2012 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1284929)
Junior guys work weekends (typically). That's when a majority of trips get covered. They will naturally fly more

That makes sense -- reserves available on weekends are much lower than weekdays.

scambo1 10-30-2012 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1284922)
I can't believe how hard some people want to work. Get a hobby. (NOT directed @ you Timbo)

What Timbo is talking about is absolutely common in the int'l categories. In a vacation month, I would guess 80% have a blanket whiteslip in for anything to get a better payday. It isn't "selling" vacation, but it does reduce required headcount in the same way.

tsquare 10-30-2012 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1284773)
The combo of LA/SA is a bit big though.

How about just Brasil?

And yes, it took some effort, but I found a picture of a Brasilian supermodel (Giesele something or other) in a heavy coat.

http://img.wisatadunia.net/medium/5/...n%20jacket.jpg

Even with that heavy coat I can see that she has no muscle tone..

Timbo 10-30-2012 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1284922)
I can't believe how hard some people want to work. Get a hobby. (NOT directed @ you Timbo)

Last week I dumped a 33 hr. mil charter to FRA into open time, so I could be at my #4 child's diving competition. That cost me over $7,000, but she was very happy I was there, she was 2nd out of 29 so I was happy I didn't miss that.

The divorced guy who picked it up had over 120hr. for the month...

Geez, I wonder why he's divorced? :rolleyes: I'm sure his ex-wife enjoyed her pay raise.

Oh, and I was out racing my catamaran when I could have been flying a 2 day worth 10:30, so that hobby cost me about $2,300 that weekend.

Life is about living...right?

Check Essential 10-30-2012 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1284920)
The fact is that you get a line awarded with the vacation added in, ie. a say, a 81hr. line at the initial bid run, then take away the 21 hr. vacation, and now you can pick up 21 more hours.

If that is not selling back 100% of your vacation, I don't know what is.

No, you cannot pick up time on your vacation days, but the rest of the month you can pick up to ALV+15+ the 21 hours of vacation. ie. you just sold it all back. This, along with no limit on the amount of time you can pick up by swapping with the pot, and trip parking, is what is killing your upward movement.

Nobody seems to care anymore Tim. It just doesn't register in people's brains that flying all these extra hours is costing us captain slots and new hire jobs. We view it as a win if vacation is pay/no credit. Everybody justs looks at that extra pay and doesn't think about the consequences.

And we're double screwed because ever since constructive engagement the union is all about "productivity" every bit as much as management. They would have happily allowed trip parking to continue if the line pilots didn't finally revolt.

I preach about this every chance I get but the philosophy nowadays is that its OK to remain a first officer for a few extra years instead of upgrading because we can make up the pay difference by flying to the ALV+15 even during vacation months.

Even wh0res have a better system than us.


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