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Roadkill 10-29-2012 06:29 PM

Yeah, great... looks like a shafting to me. 5% of my bid package and 10% of what flowed down to me was flights to SDQ from JFK and ATL. We already were abdicating SJU almost to JetBlue, now we've got a "partner" setting up a HUB there... I'm sure we're going to compete like hell to keep that revenue and drive them out of the market, crush them back, amirite?

forgot to bid 10-29-2012 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1284539)


Originally Posted by Lone Palm (Post 1284542)
Cool picture but it was taken in September.

http://mashable.com/2012/10/29/viral...-pic-debunked/

fine. here is one from tonight...

http://www.militaryblood.dod.mil/ima...ank_screen.jpg

sailingfun 10-29-2012 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1284720)
I didn't want this to get missed with all the Sandy news.

Remember when we made our $100M investment in GOL? It was sold as connecting our international network to their domestic network inside Brazil. "The deal with Delta will allow Gol to sell seats on Delta's flights between Brazil and the U.S. Delta will be able to sell U.S. travelers connections to Gol's Brazilian flights."

Delta Air Buys Stake in Brazil's Gol - WSJ.com

Well, now, not so much. Here's the latest assault on our flying:

"The Brazilian carrier plans to set up a hub in the Dominican Republic capital of Santo Domingo, from which it plans to operate flights to other locations in North America...

Brazil's Gol To Expand Overseas Routes, Cut Back at Home -Report | Fox Business

Looks like they are expanding international as we cut back.

And we have nothing in our contract to prevent our flying from being given away, right?

We are cutting back flying in South America? When was this announced? I understand we are growing there and will bring in more new flights in the next 18 months. I totally missed the cut back announcement.

LeineLodge 10-29-2012 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1284727)
Yeah, great... looks like a shafting to me. 5% of my bid package and 10% of what flowed down to me was flights to SDQ from JFK and ATL. We already were abdicating SJU almost to JetBlue, now we've got a "partner" setting up a HUB there... I'm sure we're going to compete like hell to keep that revenue and drive them out of the market, crush them back, amirite?

Applicable portions of the PWA below. While this sucks, it does limit what they are able to do. The thinking is if the company can sell more than 75 seats then we would do it ourself (does that # sound familiar like less than a full 76 seater??) if not then they can share the flight with someone else and pull whatever revenue they can sell. Great from a business perspective, not so much for us.


2. Without the consent of the Delta MEC, neither the Company nor any Company affiliate
36 will enter into or maintain an agreement or arrangement with any foreign air carrier
37 performing international partner flying that permits the Company or any Company
38 affiliate to book or ticket under the Company’s or Company affiliate’s designator code,
39 reserve, block, and/or purchase for resale:
40 a. more than 40% of the passenger seats in any month on any pair of flight segments in
41 a city pair (e.g., CDG-ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier,

42 b. a monthly average of more than 175 passenger seats per flight segment (e.g., CDG-
43 ATL or ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier to and from destinations other than
44 Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America, or
45 c. a monthly average of more than 75 passenger seats per flight segment of such foreign
46 air carrier to and from Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America,

FlyZ 10-29-2012 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1284733)
We are cutting back flying in South America? When was this announced? I understand we are growing there and will bring in more new flights in the next 18 months. I totally missed the cut back announcement.

Well, it depends on the definition of "we". I've learned that in management's eyes, "we" means Delta, or Delta Connection, or Alaska, or Air France, or any domestic or foreign airline that is or would like to become part of Delta's ticket brokering business. As long as you will add to Delta's bottom line,"Welcome aboard, and here's some flying to get you started."

So using that definition, I guess "we" are growing, somewhere. The AE's sure don't show it, though. At least at Delta mainline, where I work.

(Well, actually, I thought I worked at mainline, until RA told the investors that 76 seaters are mainline jets. Are those coming out on the next AE? And if not, how is that not intentional misleading during a briefing regulated by the SEC?)

80ktsClamp 10-29-2012 07:35 PM

It's my understanding that mainline metal to LA/SA is going to be up around 1% next year.

TOGA LK 10-29-2012 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1284756)
Well, it depends on the definition of "we". I've learned that in management's eyes, "we" means Delta, or Delta Connection, or Alaska, or Air France, or any domestic or foreign airline that is or would like to become part of Delta's ticket brokering business. As long as you will add to Delta's bottom line,"Welcome aboard, and here's some flying to get you started."

So using that definition, I guess "we" are growing, somewhere. The AE's sure don't show it, though. At least at Delta mainline, where I work.

(Well, actually, I thought I worked at mainline, until RA told the investors that 76 seaters are mainline jets. Are those coming out on the next AE? And if not, how is that not intentional misleading during a briefing regulated by the SEC?)

Nicely stated... Some of our own are not the brightest but definitely manageable. It's parts of out contract that make this latest TA a complete POS.

forgot to bid 10-29-2012 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1284765)
It's my understanding that mainline metal to LA/SA is going to be up around 1% next year.

The combo of LA/SA is a bit big though.

How about just Brasil?

And yes, it took some effort, but I found a picture of a Brasilian supermodel (Giesele something or other) in a heavy coat.

http://img.wisatadunia.net/medium/5/...n%20jacket.jpg

80ktsClamp 10-29-2012 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1284773)
The combo of LA/SA is a bit big though.

How about just Brasil?

And yes, it took some effort, but I found a picture of a Brasilian supermodel (Giesele something or other) in a trench coat.

http://img.wisatadunia.net/medium/5/...n%20jacket.jpg

Apparently most of the capacity growth will be brazil... we want to put the whale down there, but they won't let an airplane down there larger than their airlines have.

forgot to bid 10-29-2012 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1284776)
Apparently most of the capacity growth will be brazil... we want to put the whale down there, but they won't let an airplane down there larger than their airlines have.

I know, why is that?

They let BA, Lufthansa and JAL fly 744s to GRU but not us?


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