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Old 06-15-2012 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
If this contract is such a slam dunk, then why aren't all the reps just falling all over themselves to tell us to vote yes? Why wall street screaming that we are getting paid too much? Why aren't the DCI pilots filing injunctions due to scope givebacks?

My prediction: In 3 years, a lot less DAL pilots, stagnation, w2's near what they are today for most pilots and a lot of "we didn't think they would do that"
Why? Put some facts to your prediction. Tell people how you've come to this, and you may sway people to a NO vote.
Old 06-15-2012 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
If this contract is such a slam dunk, then why aren't all the reps just falling all over themselves to tell us to vote yes? Why wall street screaming that we are getting paid too much? Why aren't the DCI pilots filing injunctions due to scope givebacks?

My prediction: In 3 years, a lot less DAL pilots, stagnation, w2's near what they are today for most pilots and a lot of "we didn't think they would do that"
Do you dispute my math or assumptions? Are you saying you want the reps to tell you what to do? You need Wall Street to howl over our pay to think it's good enough? You WANT DCI pilots filing injunctions (despite what Carl might have you believe, this is not a possibility given the TA)?

Again, dispute my math if you can. How does that result in similar w2's? I see a 5 year 88 FO making nearly 25k more/year using the assumptions I listed above. Bigger aircraft/seats will see similar or better results. Reserve pilots benefit even more. How does voting NO provide for more (not just talking about $)?
Old 06-15-2012 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
If this contract is such a slam dunk, then why aren't all the reps just falling all over themselves to tell us to vote yes? Why wall street screaming that we are getting paid too much? Why aren't the DCI pilots filing injunctions due to scope givebacks?

My prediction: In 3 years, a lot less DAL pilots, stagnation, w2's near what they are today for most pilots and a lot of "we didn't think they would do that"

They aren't falling all over themselves because too many clowns would be accusing them of a sell job.

Man there are way too many children posting on this site...
Old 06-15-2012 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Why? Put some facts to your prediction. Tell people how you've come to this, and you may sway people to a NO vote.
Talked to my reps and "others".


Sorry, vote how you want.
Old 06-15-2012 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
The incident he's talking about was in 1998. The article you've cited is unrelated.
Thanks, did not see a date referenced.
Old 06-15-2012 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
They aren't falling all over themselves because too many clowns would be accusing them of a sell job.
Too late for that.
Old 06-15-2012 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Too late for that.

Yup.. clowns and children.. It is truly a shame that their votes count same as a rational adult's do.
Old 06-15-2012 | 09:25 AM
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I just want to say something... I flew an MD-90 yesterday with a bi-folding first class lav door.

I told everyone here at the house.



Nobody cared. Someone needs to share in my joy.
Old 06-15-2012 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Yup.. clowns and children.. It is truly a shame that their votes count same as a rational adult's do.
You sound like the tough guy from the ATL road show
Old 06-15-2012 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
It's fairly obvious that, before the merger, the Delta guys and the Northwest guys had a radically different approach to labor relations. Despite that, it doesn't seem like we had radically different contracts. It's tough to make the case that one approach is more effective than the other.
This of course has nothing to do with interviewing criteria now does it.

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