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Old 07-05-2012 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Hard to decipher negative movement with a realignment.....
There's nothing to decipher when we lose higher paying positions to lower paying positions.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Raging white
Dude, this is the most blatant example of pulling up the ladder behind you I've ever seen. Holy crap
And you don't even know the meaning of the ladder statement. I had to pay for my living expenses during training so where was that ladder? There was none to pull up.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
And you don't even know the meaning of the ladder statement. I had to pay for my living expenses during training so where was that ladder? There was none to pull up.
I wore clothing purchased from a thrift store when I was growing up out of necessity.

That doesn't mean I'll make my kids do it just because I had to.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
And you don't even know the meaning of the ladder statement. I had to pay for my living expenses during training so where was that ladder? There was none to pull up.
So I guess you understand how we shouldn't do that to guys. Glad you get it
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Hard to decipher negative movement with a realignment.....
LAX 777? They currently have a daily NRT and SYD flight....maybe?
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
When does the new sick leave intimidation policy go into effect? I haven't seen it in any of DALPA's implementation products.

For something DALPA touted as a "good deal" for us, they're pretty quiet about it now...nothing in TO's letter or anywhere else to spike the football over this "improvement."
I think the new sick leave policy is a vast improvement over the old one. "Intimidation policy"?!? You must be easily intimidated if the sick leave verification process worries you.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
When does the new sick leave intimidation policy go into effect? I haven't seen it in any of DALPA's implementation products.

For something DALPA touted as a "good deal" for us, they're pretty quiet about it now...nothing in TO's letter or anywhere else to spike the football over this "improvement."
I've received several publications stating when the new sick policy goes into effect. Try actually reading what they send you.

From the Negotiator's Notepad 12-12

Sick Leave

The various changes to sick leave will be phased in over the next 12 months.

Effective July 1, 2012:

-Expanded eligibility for sick leave due to dental care

-Elimination of Sick Leave Monitoring Program

-Ability for a Chief Pilot to enquire regarding the medical reason for a pilot’s use of sick leave when an individual circumstance, other than the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of his sick occurrences, gives him a good faith basis to do so

-Reimbursement of any reasonable expense incurred by the pilot in obtaining a doctor’s certificate required by the Company

-Restriction of the Company’s ability of a pilot to release his medical records to a Company-designated doctor to times when such an individual circumstance exists

-Requirement to allow a pilot who has exhausted his sick leave no less than seven days to confirm that he will be unavailable for the remaining portion of his line before removing from that line

Effective January 1, 2013:

-Elimination of 75% pay for sick leave and the associated rolling three-year bank

-Requirement to verify individual sick leave occurrence that is 15 days or longer

-Ability for a pilot who returns from disability and who has exhausted his sick leave hours for the current sick leave year to elect to transfer up to 50 hours from the subsequent sick leave year accrual
Effective June 1, 2013:

-Sick leave accrual increase to 270 hours for a pilot with at least 20 years of service

-Notification requirement when sick or well

-Increase in pay for known sick or accident leave to the greater of a pro rata portion of the ALV or reserve guarantee or the pilot’s shadow award in PBS

-Shadow bidding for known sick/accident leave

-Early return from known sick/accident leave

-Calling in well mid-rotation and sick leave bank replenishment

-Pilot option to verify sick at any time

-Requirement to verify sick after 100 hours
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Old 07-05-2012 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Rumor Mill:

New AE in August for retirement program, 737-900 staffing, and 777 "realignment."

Discuss. Sounds an awful lot like there's still some extra fluff that they want to trim off the 777....
Actually the AE is confirmed per the Crew Planning News email sent out today. But they're not fat on the 777. They're so short in DTW they're having to DH crews from ATL. So maybe they'll shift some positions on it. But that could still mean backwards movement in ATL.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Not sure it was blindly.

The argument was made that those jets "greatly help" DAL reign in corporate accounts which of course is good for the DAL pilot............
Flag on the field though.

We have 12,000 or so of the best of the best, most talented aviators in the world, etc. Don't tell me we can't find 50 or so of OUR pilots to fly those planes. Giving those up was one of the most reprehensible things in the TA by far.

Instead we permanently give those jets up to a non union pilot group at an internal company that won't hire DL pilots on furlough unless they resign.

Roughing the profession, 15 yards, repeat third down.
Old 07-05-2012 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Reservebum
I was in that class (Oct 2010 hire) and I paid for my hotel the month I was in training at MSP. I didn't like it, but that's the cost of doing business. Delta did cover my hotel during indoc, however, and my take-home pay was $2300/month until I finished training and started IOE.

At the time, my wife and I thought it came across as a little 'cheap' for such a large, respected company to skimp on the hotel and per diem during training (and yes, I'm new to the airline industry).
I think he was actually referring to the last and final NWA class.
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