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Old 07-05-2012 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92

the last group of hires had single occupancy room through training and paid from day one.
The latest group of new hires at NWA?
Old 07-05-2012 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
The latest group of new hires at NWA?
latest = last in autocorrect world....
Old 07-05-2012 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
I agree, but I think we all know that ALPA won't ever make a strong push for it. I think from what I gather, NWA set their pilots up with a room, but I'm not sure.
Yep-am floored that most people are either oblivious to it or aren't disgusted by it if they are aware.
Just as dalpa blindly accepted DPJs 100,000 lb inclusion into the TA, you think they would have at least "thrown in" hotel rooms for new hires as a quid. There was a quid, right?
Yet another pulling up of the ladder one rung at a time.
Old 07-05-2012 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Yep-am floored that most people are either oblivious to it or aren't disgusted by it if they are aware.
Just as dalpa blindly accepted DPJs 100,000 lb inclusion into the TA, you think they would have at least "thrown in" hotel rooms for new hires as a quid. There was a quid, right?
Yet another pulling up of the ladder one rung at a time.

Not sure it was blindly.

The argument was made that those jets "greatly help" DAL reign in corporate accounts which of course is good for the DAL pilot............
Old 07-05-2012 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
RES now pays ALV-2 for your category (restricted to 72-80 hours or 72hr ALV - good for you, 84hr ALV bad for you). You're now considered full when you reach or exceed the ALV but you can be assigned a trip that takes you as high as ALV+15. As always you're paid the higher of your guarantee or your monthly accumulated credit.
To be technical, you're now considered full when you hit your projected credit, not the ALV.
Old 07-05-2012 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Not sure it was blindly.

The argument was made that those jets "greatly help" DAL reign in corporate accounts which of course is good for the DAL pilot............
So, what was the quid? Giving that up HAD to be worth quite a bit. We received something, no? Pilots helping or "conceding" to bring in corporate accounts??
Of course not posed to you, ACL as I know you agree. This was "costed", no?
Old 07-05-2012 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
So, what was the quid? Giving that up HAD to be worth quite a bit. We received something, no? Pilots helping or "conceding" to bring in corporate accounts??
Of course not posed to you, ACL as I know you agree. This was "costed", no?

Who knows. Ask you reps, but, from what I understood, we did not take a bargaining credit on the CJ50 swap. There have been a few comments that the 23 IOE recovery obligations were traded for this, but I had not seen anything in formal print.
Old 07-05-2012 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Yep-am floored that most people are either oblivious to it or aren't disgusted by it if they are aware.
Just as dalpa blindly accepted DPJs 100,000 lb inclusion into the TA, you think they would have at least "thrown in" hotel rooms for new hires as a quid. There was a quid, right?
Yet another pulling up of the ladder one rung at a time.
Of course no single pay rate has gone up more since I was hired then the new hire pay rates and first 5 year rates. First year pay when I was hired was 1500 a month. It went to 1800 a month for a long time after. Senior Captains then made about 180,000 a year.
On 1 Jan 2013 first year pay is 66 an hour and second year 91 on the lowest paying equipment we operate. Second year pay in 86 was 36.00 an hour. Lets see, then 36 for year 2 and this contract 91. We really yanked the ladder up on the junior guys!!!
The senior pilots pay has soared compared to the bottom!!! NOT!!!
Old 07-05-2012 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Of course no single pay rate has gone up more since I was hired then the new hire pay rates and first 5 year rates. First year pay when I was hired was 1500 a month. It went to 1800 a month for a long time after. Senior Captains then made about 180,000 a year.
On 1 Jan 2013 first year pay is 66 an hour and second year 91 on the lowest paying equipment we operate. Second year pay in 86 was 36.00 an hour. Lets see, then 36 for year 2 and this contract 91. We really yanked the ladder up on the junior guys!!!
The senior pilots pay has soared compared to the bottom!!! NOT!!!
So its a lot more fair and rational for one line pilot to be paid 10x another line pilot... at the same company?

One guy has some seniority and sits a couple feet to the left... but they're both pilots flying jets for Delta. That is a spread that should've, and is in the process, of being fixed.
Old 07-05-2012 | 04:27 PM
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When does the new sick leave intimidation policy go into effect? I haven't seen it in any of DALPA's implementation products.

For something DALPA touted as a "good deal" for us, they're pretty quiet about it now...nothing in TO's letter or anywhere else to spike the football over this "improvement."

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