Originally Posted by Sink r8

Fine. I hope it will help.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Could it be better for our new hires? Of course, but lets remember a few things. First, with over 15K apps on file in 2008 no one was going to turn down a DAL job over crappy first year pay or having to scout out a crash pad for four weeks of their 30+ year career. No one. It is not the best choice, but not one that would make someone decline a position. Not at CAL not having health insurance and crappy pay for six months and a year respectively. I know that I chose DAL over them, but that was not the only reason. Some would not even apply to them for that item.

First year pay stunk. I made 22K in eight months. I made over double that in three months at my previous job. I knew it was going to be a significant change and I planned accordingly. Being at the house with a new born and in new hire training was stressful, but again, better than paying for a hotel or crash pad. It was a few weeks out of my life. Was it most desired? Nope, but worth the prize which was a job at the premier global airline.

I have more than made up for this pay and lack of hotel in my time here. Most of you would agree.


If we want it fixed, we should make it a priority, but I highly doubt that most will be willing to make it a top priority. If anyone decides not to take a DAL job because of it, they are crazy.

Originally Posted by Ragtop Day

We can still bank, but you can only deposit any credit above 80 hours (up to 20 hrs/mo., +60 hrs total). Since the max rsv guarantee is 80 hrs, you will not be able to bank unless you GS or fly your butt off.

Transactions must be requested before the last day of the month, so if you are going to be close don't wait around to see what the final credit number is. You can request "in the blind" meaning you can tell the computer you want to deposit 5 hours, if you only credit 82.5, the bank will deposit 2.5 hours and disregard the rest.

If you are negative, the computer will automatically take up to 5 hours per month over 80 until you are back to 0.

For reference it is Sec. 12 O.

Originally Posted by MrBojangles

Dumb question here, but if I bank 5 hours at my pay level now and withdraw it a few years later at my higher pay rate, they pay out at the new level, right? New to the credit bank here.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

I never thought about this, I'm going to go look it up.

Okay... if you have not finished your initial OE then you are an entry level pilot. But you're given a seniority number on day 1 and the PWA governs how that seniority number is assigned. But if I remember right the union cannot represent you until you are finished.

Hmmm. Well my guess is day 1 if your seniority number is assigned on day 1 then you meet the definition of a pilot.

Did I get it right?

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

When do you get transitioned to "flight pay?" Is it retro to a point or event?

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone

As long as people are willing to pay for their hotels, Delta will not. Once interviews begin and pilot do not show or Delta has issues filling classes; you might see paid-for hotels.

TEN

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

You transition to flight pay status when you get an “OK” on the schedule upon completion of IOE.

But did we change how the salary as paid as current and the flight pay in arrears when we transitioned the end of month pay?

Let me go look.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

A good sign:
Fly on the wall at a bar room bull session on layover with several senior captains and they were discussing the early out thing.
They think the numbers look pretty good. Consensus was that nwa guys with DB pensions will take the deal in large numbers. It would be foolish to pass it up. Many dal types will jump on it as well.
Looks like the number of takers may come in on the high side of expectations.