I've changed my stance on scope. As long as

a) I get a raise on the next contract,
b) we cut out half the 50 seaters,
c) I'm told everything else is great, and
d) if I find anything questionable I'm assured it's a bird in the bush in the hand thing,

then they can up the cap on 76 seaters and add MRJs and keep the 70 seaters. I'm sure these MRJs will be super profitable and increase our profit sharing checks. Oh and throw in 16 773s and I'm so in.

I really just want to be on the winning side of a TA vote.

 

Just kidding.

 

Left side of the DeltaNet main page, under quarterly CQ button is the "Automated Manuals and Bulletins" button. That'll walk you through it.

 

Please - enjoy the early out then. It was negotiated at my expense.

I predict 76 seaters with Delta pilots in them in 2017.

 

We better!
I think we would be better served to look at the "70's and 76's coming off of financial commitments" (49 by end of 2018).
1)Lowering the DCI cap by that many aircraft 76's, 70's or 50's(company choice).
Allowing the rest of the 50's to be swapped 2.5:1 for more 70's or 3:1 for more 76's.
2)Dropping the caps respectively (that would result in a DCI cap between 317-401).
3)The ratio would have to go up more than the present rise rate, it is too low IMHO
I'll tell you that if you want, then we can talk about Auburn Football!
We can call the MEC office, I'm sure they can assure you of whatever that is.

I do NOT want to see any GTF or other "next-gen" powerplant at DCI and will direct my input appropriately.

I won't consider any widebodies in this, it has to be domestic flying... and I'm done swapping mainline jets for caps, they will be in the zone where they can retire whatever fleet they want in a timely fashion by that point. More 777's would be nice to see however.
In this league we don't have winners and losers, only participants!

 

A guy on APC says Delta pilots will be flowing down to Compass to fly 76 seaters by 2017.

It MUST mean that Delta is about to furlough!!!!

Oh no!!!

 

2015 is the earliest I can go - I'd love to be gone now. I hope you are correct on the latter, although I heard there was a very cursory study done to validate this MEC's preconceived notion (shared by management) that it will never be economically viable to fly at the mainline. Of course with a sea change in the make up of this MEC it might be seriously evaluated.

 

I read it on the Internet!

What more proof do you need??!

(psst...and I hear American might merge with US Air, but don't tell anyone!)

 

Nothing if we actually hold the line and do not take some quid to allow the measly few extra thousand pounds in MGW.

Hey camel, I said only your nose.

If we hold the line I am pleased as I could ever be, but if we do not, well, exemptions to anything lead to more exemptions. All in the name of a sound business plan and too much cash to fix it.

 

Nearly 20 years ago (early 1993) I was displaced off my (bottom) MD88 Capt. seat when DAL sold their DC9's and all the more senior DC9 guys came to the 88. Then DAL gave all that DC9 flying to Com Air and ASA to fly with their brand new RJs. I called DALPA to ask What the Fark are they doing, giving OUR flying to CA and ASA to fly with JETS?? I ranted;

"WHY AREN'T WE FLYING THOSE JETS??!"

The answer I got from DALPA was, "You don't want to fly those little jets, Capt. would only pay $50/hr, and that's less than what the L1011 Engineers make! We CAN'T have Captains making LESS than engineers!"

We had just furloughed for the first time in the history of DAL, I said, "You're right, I don't want to fly it (I was displaced back to the 757 F/O seat) but I'll bet all those FURLOUGED guys would LOVE to fly it!"

7 years later (2000) I'm at In Command, with Leo the CEO speaking to our class, one of the guys asked about why we can't fly the RJ's at mainline. Leo's answer was, "We can't afford to have you fly them, even at their current pay rates, because we also pay you 30% override, in benefits..."

This was about a year before 9-11, and well before our 42% pay cuts and loss of pension. In bankruptcy I was sure we could finally wrangle back some of our outsourced flying, since our pay rates were reduced 42%, and that pesky 30% override was basically gone.

But...once again, DALPA's attitude was, "You don't want to fly those little jets." and again, we had guys out on furlough who would have LOVED to have been flying those little jets.

I don't know what DALPA's problem is, maybe it's arrogance, but a jet is a jet, and a job is a job. I see no reason why we shouldn't be flying those jets. If it says DELTA on the side, it should be flown by Delta Pilots...or so I would think.

It's too expensive to have 'mainline pilots' flying RJ's ???

Really??

What about the expense of having 8 different CEO's and management teams, for our 8 different DCC's?? And 8 different scheduling depts. and 8 MX depts. and 8 different training depts, etc.??

I think the only way to 'fix this' is if all 8 of our DCC's get together and file for Single Carrier Status, and get included in our contract and onto our SL.

But, would DALPA support that?