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07-11-2012, 03:32 PM

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acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Who finances the airplane has nothing to do with who sits in a control seat.

(know you know this ... just sayin)

Not saying it does. I'm saying this is DAL's biggest motivator, not us. As for us, why would ALPA or the company think outside the traditional modification box, when our approval through the memrat process does not indicate a need to do so?

07-11-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate

Exactly - if we allowed up to certificated seats and GW, eliminated route restrictions and redundant management and training functions it becomes feasible. I would like to actually see the parameters used and compared in the study, however I'm guessing its secret as is anything where we might legitimately question something.

Speaking of I asked one of my Reps what the base by base breakdown was on the TA vote and he said they got the numbers but the MEC Chairman made them confidential.

Really.

Yep, really. They know it and probably know vote percentages by base, seat, age et al, but it will not be published.

07-11-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

No, DALPA would not support that, it would create a conflict of interest since ALPA would have to sue its regional pilots to make sure Delta pilot's seniority is protected during any type of scope recapture scenario.

Exactly. Better to take it back unilaterally than to give regional airlines even a snowball's chance at greater than a staple. There was a window of opportunity but its closed and nailed shut. That ship has sailed. We now have to fix this ourselves. I prefer quickly by cutting the beast's head off, but if we have to go the slow route of choking off the beast's growth and starving it to death over several contracts, I'm fine with that as well.

07-11-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

Nobody has mentioned this one yet...

FAA proposes $987,500 penalty for Delta - Travel - News - msnbc.com

We make more than that in profit before lunchtime in one day. Not to mention it'll probably get reduced significantly anyway.

07-11-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The "in depth" study did not include investment losses, cap ex write offs, crashes, additional managerial expenses or the cost borne by mainline (ie redundant management structure). The study also did not include DIP financing, the cost of litigation (Skywest & Mesa) and the cost of walking business to our competitors.

While I understand methodology which excludes "unexpected" costs, these are real costs of outsourcing none the less.

The political choice we make is to NOT rub management's nose in these "unexpected costs." Instead our political slant is to justify outsourcing.

Delta's outsourcing looks good on paper from a short term perspective. The longer view would reveal it has been a disaster for both labor and Delta, Inc.

That puts the sweet spot of the bat on it right there. I'd also add that the same myopic thinking is responsibile for endless shrinkage (capacity dicipline) which only funds the endless growth mode of the ULCCs that we will have to deal with later on anyway when they are bigger and stronger than they are now. Typical B school thinkin in the era of quarterly bonus mongering management.