Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-21-2012, 05:38 PM
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Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.
At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.
If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.
What a mess.
Motch
PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!
Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.
At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.
If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.
What a mess.
Motch
PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!
05-21-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
70 capped at 102
153 76-seat max
with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223
reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)
only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125
so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330
only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125.
153 76-seat max
with every 717 or A319 1.25 76-seater added
max cap of 223
reduction of 50-seaters
for the first 40 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by 11.1 units
for the next 30 76-seaters, reduce 50-seaters by another 10.7 units (22 total)
only after the last 76-seat jet is delivered and 76-seater count reaches 223 must the 50-seaters be reduced to 125
so roughly 350 50-seaters now
add 55 717 or A319
bring 76-seaters up to 222
50-seters reduced to 320-330
only after the 56 717 is delivered and the last of the max 223 76-seat jet is delivered will 50-seaters be reduced to 125.
05-21-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
It is interesting that UAL's CEO had a memo ready to go today along the lines of "let's get this agreement done, I'll be more than happy to settle for those $h**#! rates that DALPA approved!!"
What was the line? Something about not compromising the final product for the sake of expedience???
This TA isn't compromised?
05-21-2012, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
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Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.
At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.
If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.
What a mess.
Motch
PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!
Can't believe how quickly Jeffrey came out with his memo.
At this point, we.. as a Pilot Profession, need to shut it all down. Seems like ALPA National has lost their vision. The idea of allowing more 70/76 seaters to be flown at the Regional Level to feed a mainline Carrier is unbelievable.
If allowed, those 70/76 seaters will be flown by the lowest cost Regional (probably at 50 seat payscales!)
On top of that, mainline will park the 75's as they are getting older and replace it with these bigger 73's but at a lower payscale.
What a mess.
Motch
PS> What are the chances of DPA taking off now?!
I do think it's time to terminate our relationship with ALPA. This TA presents clear evidence that our interests as DL pilots are not being served, and that other agendas are being pursued to the detriment of our careers. I didn't completely believe that until today.
05-21-2012, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomcat
George,
At first look this doesn't pass my decision matrix (not even close), but what's your take on the net effect on us. In other words, what is this going to look like when I'm walking around my jet in three years.
TC
At first look this doesn't pass my decision matrix (not even close), but what's your take on the net effect on us. In other words, what is this going to look like when I'm walking around my jet in three years.
TC
The minimum contractual ratio if Delta buys 88 small narrowbodies and increases to 223 76 seaters is 61% Mainline-39% DCI (ratio of 1.56-1)
The business plan calls for a ratio of 64%-36%, or a 1.76-1 ratio
More flying of the Delta brand is coming to mainline under this TA.
05-21-2012, 05:49 PM
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Just got in from an afternoon hanging out with the kids.
Quick ?.
How are the JV's and domestic code shares addressed in scope? Or are they even?
Quick ?.
How are the JV's and domestic code shares addressed in scope? Or are they even?
05-21-2012, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Just got in from an afternoon hanging out with the kids.
Quick ?.
How are the JV's and domestic code shares addressed in scope? Or are they even?
Quick ?.
How are the JV's and domestic code shares addressed in scope? Or are they even?
05-21-2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
"BID FOOLS"?
05-21-2012, 06:00 PM
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Slow,
Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula. We are just giving up negotiating capital that can be used somewhere else, like giving up more of our profit sharing perhaps?
Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula. We are just giving up negotiating capital that can be used somewhere else, like giving up more of our profit sharing perhaps?
05-21-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
Slow,
Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula. We are just giving up negotiating capital that can be used somewhere else, like giving up more of our profit sharing perhaps?
Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula. We are just giving up negotiating capital that can be used somewhere else, like giving up more of our profit sharing perhaps?
This TA is full of those sorts of money for nothing compromises. New 717's... we'd probably get them anyhow. 50 seaters going away... they were anyhow, but now we get more bigger RJ's to replace them. Code share protection against Alaska, but we're buying them anyway... No call from CP when you are sick... so what? I like getting a call from my buddies when I'm feeling low. Pay raise... but give us back the profit sharing. Higher pay for reserve... but you get less days off and more short call. ONE WHOLE PERCENT DC raise. TEN WHOLE CENTS more per diem!! FIFTEEN WHOLE MINUTES more vacation pay. Maybe I'll buy the Mona Lisa next time I'm in Paris! Mandatory hiring for DCI ALPA pilots... not sure what we gave up for that gem. 4:15 per duty day? Big deal... they'll just slide some of those departure times so that you'll still only make 9:30 on a 3 day. Amateur Hour!
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