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Old 05-21-2012 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote. The TA will be a marginal pass with the junior pilots voting for it more so then the senior pilots. It fails in my two biggest needs, pay and retirement. When the last piece is dangled it will sadly ratify.



You had me at "It Fails...."

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Old 05-21-2012 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote..
It better be a $1,000,000 signing bonus for each of us or I'm still going to be very disappointed.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote. The TA will be a marginal pass with the junior pilots voting for it more so then the senior pilots. It fails in my two biggest needs, pay and retirement. When the last piece is dangled it will sadly ratify.
Uhhh....I don't think so. Most everyone on the seniority list has been here more than a decade so the "junior" folk have seen the dog and pony show before. Many have been furloughed for a long time, both NW and DL, so I wouldn't count on the junior vote for this one.

It's the oldies that I worry about the most....just like you said pay and retirement.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudder
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Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula.
Conventional wisdom...that isn't.

The 50 seaters are under contract to DCI through 2023. There's 311 of them under contract at the end of 2015, or just 125 with this TA.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Conventional wisdom...that isn't.

The 50 seaters are under contract to DCI through 2023. There's 311 of them under contract at the end of 2015, or just 125 with this TA.
There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.
Go back and reread the TA section 1. You will find that you are incorrect.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:56 PM
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I'd call that proof that they aren't the same person.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
From Bloomberg. Read very carefully:

Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) may soon purchase more narrow-body jets when a tentative contract with its pilot union is ratified by a majority of members.
The accord, which includes pay raises of almost 20 percent, would allow many first officers to upgrade to captain while also creating additional openings for new first officers, Tim O’Malley, chairman of the executive council for the Delta chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association, wrote today in a letter to members.

The contract would also allow the Atlanta-based airline to add more 76-seat regional jets, although “this access can only occur if Delta first acquires small narrow-body jets flown by Delta mainline pilots,” while also getting rid of more 50-seat aircraft flown by regional partners, O’Malley said. Pilots prize jobs on main jet fleets because it means better pay and benefits over the long term.
Analysts have speculated that Delta is among the interested buyers of the 88 Boeing Co. (BA) 717s that Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV) acquired when it purchased AirTran Holdings Inc. last year. Southwest has said repeatedly it would like to get rid of the planes as soon as it can.

The jets have 117 seats and if acquired by Delta would be flown by the carrier’s pilots rather than by regional partners.
As the saying goes, "...if ifs and buts were fruits and nuts, we'll all have a merry christmas..."
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
4+30 per day, unless report is after 2200 or checkout is before 0200.
Thanks JobHopper. This is 2 hours a day less than SWA gets. 9 hour- 2 day trips, 13:30 hour- 3 day, 18 hour- 4 day, 22:30 hour-5 day trips are a big letdown. This is probably the biggest issue with regard to days off and trip construction. Don't forget the ugly details usually surface once we start to live with new contracts. Scope, Pay and Min Day are all nasty.
Old 05-21-2012 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.
The "small narrowbody" is defined in section 1 as A319 or 717. No mention of C series or any other types.
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