Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-01-2012, 07:00 AM
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In Nov 11 I was displaced from MSP A320 to MSP MD88. In Jun 12 I was displaced from MSP MD88 to ATL MD88. My fear is another displacement, probably to NYC MD88. I don't believe this August AE will staff 717s; that will likely be an Oct 12 AE.
Hence my concern that AE = displacement. However, with more MD-90's being added to MSP & ATL, then I'll probably be able to stay put, which is my desire. I'd like to stay on a plane for at least a year to learn it!
Hence my concern that AE = displacement. However, with more MD-90's being added to MSP & ATL, then I'll probably be able to stay put, which is my desire. I'd like to stay on a plane for at least a year to learn it!
Elvis,
I don't think you will be displaced. Even if it were economic in the short term to displace you when taking a "snapshot" of manning - too many changes/churn/movement in the near future to be aggressive with displacements.
The company appears to be trying very hard to minimize training events (as evidenced by carrying extra dudes, early retirements etc) so as we say in the Navy, "Fair winds and following seas" for you.
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08-01-2012, 07:02 AM
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imho. The jr guys should be thanking their lucky stars they are not furloughed now. Look around and stop the whining. Especially you hockey. The economy is weak everywhere, and for some reason Delta has been carrying an excess. We could have easily furloughed the last few years, but they keep offering just enough early outs to mitigate that.
08-01-2012, 07:02 AM
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imho. The jr guys should be thanking their lucky stars they are not furloughed now. Look around and stop the whining. Especially you hockey. The economy is weak everywhere, and for some reason Delta has been carrying an excess. We could have easily furloughed the last few years, but they keep offering just enough early outs to mitigate that.
I agree, however, about having a job, and that's precisely what I tell the captains I fly with, "I'm just glad to have a job in this economy". In terms of whining, it's just a fact that junior guys get displaced frequently, and I just gave some examples.
However, taking on new (or nearly new) equipment is a good thing for the company and for us.
08-01-2012, 07:05 AM
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In Nov 11 I was displaced from MSP A320 to MSP MD88. In Jun 12 I was displaced from MSP MD88 to ATL MD88. My fear is another displacement, probably to NYC MD88. I don't believe this August AE will staff 717s; that will likely be an Oct 12 AE.
Hence my concern that AE = displacement. However, with more MD-90's being added to MSP & ATL, then I'll probably be able to stay put, which is my desire. I'd like to stay on a plane for at least a year to learn it!
Hence my concern that AE = displacement. However, with more MD-90's being added to MSP & ATL, then I'll probably be able to stay put, which is my desire. I'd like to stay on a plane for at least a year to learn it!
Elvis,
I don't think you will be displaced. Even if it were economic in the short term to displace you when taking a "snapshot" of manning - too many changes/churn/movement in the near future to be aggressive with displacements.
The company appears to be trying very hard to minimize training events (as evidenced by carrying extra dudes, early retirements etc) so as we say in the Navy, "Fair winds and following seas" for you.
Scoop
08-01-2012, 07:25 AM
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imho. The jr guys should be thanking their lucky stars they are not furloughed now. Look around and stop the whining. Especially you hockey. The economy is weak everywhere, and for some reason Delta has been carrying an excess. We could have easily furloughed the last few years, but they keep offering just enough early outs to mitigate that.
Two years ago the threat of furlough was very real. We weathered that storm because management made a business decision based on economic outlook and our contract and decided there was more to gain by not furloughing.
Fast forward to today and barring a catastrophic world event or a series of fuel-hedge missteps, Delta is on track for a third consecutive year of solid profitability.
RA is playing the long game. It's one of further consolidation and the strategy will pay off in the end by improving stability and health of the US airline industry. I fully support the effort.
But make no mistake, our career progression (or lack thereof) is financing the strategic plan.
Capacity constraint as a mechanism to boost profitability is maxed out. Further gains can't come from shrinking and further contraction will just enable non-network carriers and boost their growth without adding to the bottom line. That's why current and future cuts are more in-line with a long term chess game setting up Delta for the a more advantageous position for consolidation in the airline industry.
Unfortunately what makes a company successful is growth and our seniority-based system is intimately tied to that cart. Most likely any future growth won't be organic and that too will have an impact on seniority...
Not luck, not stars, just plain business.
Long term I do expect some career ROI ;-)
Cheers
George
08-01-2012, 07:37 AM
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08-01-2012, 07:42 AM
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Any final # on the early out bid? I heard it was around 260 as of yesterday.
08-01-2012, 07:46 AM
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When do the fences come down on the 747 and 777? I'm so old, I can't remember.
08-01-2012, 07:54 AM
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08-01-2012, 08:07 AM
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poppycock, "luck" and "stars" have nothing to do with it...
Two years ago the threat of furlough was very real. We weathered that storm because management made a business decision based on economic outlook and our contract and decided there was more to gain by not furloughing.
Fast forward to today and barring a catastrophic world event or a series of fuel-hedge missteps, Delta is on track for a third consecutive year of solid profitability.
RA is playing the long game. It's one of further consolidation and the strategy will pay off in the end by improving stability and health of the US airline industry. I fully support the effort.
But make no mistake, our career progression (or lack thereof) is financing the strategic plan.
Capacity constraint as a mechanism to boost profitability is maxed out. Further gains can't come from shrinking and further contraction will just enable non-network carriers and boost their growth without adding to the bottom line. That's why current and future cuts are more in-line with a long term chess game setting up Delta for the a more advantageous position for consolidation in the airline industry.
Unfortunately what makes a company successful is growth and our seniority-based system is intimately tied to that cart. Most likely any future growth won't be organic and that too will have an impact on seniority...
Not luck, not stars, just plain business.
Long term I do expect some career ROI ;-)
Cheers
George
Two years ago the threat of furlough was very real. We weathered that storm because management made a business decision based on economic outlook and our contract and decided there was more to gain by not furloughing.
Fast forward to today and barring a catastrophic world event or a series of fuel-hedge missteps, Delta is on track for a third consecutive year of solid profitability.
RA is playing the long game. It's one of further consolidation and the strategy will pay off in the end by improving stability and health of the US airline industry. I fully support the effort.
But make no mistake, our career progression (or lack thereof) is financing the strategic plan.
Capacity constraint as a mechanism to boost profitability is maxed out. Further gains can't come from shrinking and further contraction will just enable non-network carriers and boost their growth without adding to the bottom line. That's why current and future cuts are more in-line with a long term chess game setting up Delta for the a more advantageous position for consolidation in the airline industry.
Unfortunately what makes a company successful is growth and our seniority-based system is intimately tied to that cart. Most likely any future growth won't be organic and that too will have an impact on seniority...
Not luck, not stars, just plain business.
Long term I do expect some career ROI ;-)
Cheers
George
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