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Old 08-20-2012 | 04:54 AM
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
Old 08-20-2012 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Consistently I used to get the Marriott Courtyard JFK for $79 on priceline, mid $90s out the door...(UAL, AA hotel just down the street from the Doubletree)

Unfortunately they don't come to the terminals so you got to take the Airtrain to Federal Circle. (free)

Unless you manage to convince them you are AA or UAL, then the come and pick you up...

They will drop at the terminal.

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You're right, the priceline guys always did better than me. I just became a creature of habit, I knew the drivers, the desk ladies, had a good time meeting half of Atlas, Evergreen, and Kalitta - they always had well catered parties for any event that was worth gathering for. Pretty nice restaurant choices nearby with a notably great Greek restaurant across the street, a lousy mall a short walk away. Van ride to the train if you wanted to go into the city. etc.

What preference qualifiers did you use for priceline?

Side question: Someone mentioned there would be no AE in Oct. I can't find an indication that there will be no AE.
Old 08-20-2012 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
You're right, the priceline guys always did better than me. I just became a creature of habit, I knew the drivers, the desk ladies, had a good time meeting half of Atlas, Evergreen, and Kalitta - they always had well catered parties for any event that was worth gathering for. Pretty nice restaurant choices nearby with a notably great Greek restaurant across the street, a lousy mall a short walk away. Van ride to the train if you wanted to go into the city. etc.

What preference qualifiers did you use for priceline?

Side question: Someone mentioned there would be no AE in Oct. I can't find an indication that there will be no AE.
Five towns or the Rockville Exec Inn are the way to go. Owned by the same people. The reasons above are all true and you can check out late which gives you time to work out and take a afternoon nap before a international flight instead of sitting in the pilots lounge from 1 to 7 pm. Rockville always allows a 4 pm and I have been able to get a 5 or even 6 pm checkout.
Old 08-20-2012 | 06:51 AM
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Default Interesting numbers for Atlanta

Credit Boyd, Aviation Planning, Hotflash:

New Metrics. New Planning Imperatives. The Airports:USA Forecast highlights and trends will be discussed at a special session at the Summit. In the meantime, here are some numbers to consider:

1.7%. The year-over-year enplanement change 2012 v 2011, through June.

0.8%. The Airports:USA forecast for the full year enplanements, 2012 v 2011. Point: airline capacity reductions already scheduled will result in very slow - or no - enplanement expansion in the 2nd half of 2012.

< 1.5%. The annual rate of enplanement growth between 2013 through 2017. The go-go-years of expecting air traffic to expand mightily and forever are over. Financial & facility planners: take note.

5.5 Million. The increase in enplanements forecast for Atlanta, 2017 v 2012 - the #1 airport in enplanement growth - more than double the increases projected at #2 JFK (2.6 million), #3 DFW (2.5 million), and #3 CLT (2.4 million.) Note that the Atlanta numbers are particularly impressive given that the Airports:USA forecast assumes a decline at ATL in 2013 - 2014 as Southwest replaces AirTran, mainly due to Southwest's intention not to focus on connecting traffic, as AirTran did.

7.1%, 8.3%, 8.9%. The forecast passenger growth rates for hubsite airports, large non-hubsite airports, and regional airports, 2017 v 2012. Total passenger growth combined will be 8.0%.

1.62. The 2013 ratio of enplanements to passengers. This means that every passenger trip, on average, generates 1.6 enplanements. The ratio drops slightly to 1.60 by 2017, but it still indicates that the hub-and-spoke system is here to stay.

42%. Underscoring the above, this is the percentage of Southwest traffic at MDW that is connecting as of the 1Q of 2012. Southwest is now for all intents and purposes, a hubbing airline.

494.9 Million. The number of passengers making air trips in 2017. These will generate 794.9 million enplanements.

+ 200. The number of 50-seat jets coming out of the North American airline system in the next three years. Watch for a much more rapid grounding of these airliners than currently expected. (This is at variance with ambient thinking, - at least for now. But Boyd Group International forecasts were the first to predict a glut of 50-seaters - and that was back in 2002. The rest of the industry disagreed, because at the time "everybody knew" that RJs were the "wave of the future.")

CRJ-700s. Watch for economics to catch up with these airliners in the next five years, too. Great airplanes. But in shifting them to dual class configuration, as most carriers are doing, they effectively lose ten salable seats. In typical 6/60 configuration, the six first class seats tend to be used for freebie upgrades, not direct sales. Ergo, the 70 seaters are now 60-seaters in terms of revenue potential. The larger CRJ-900/1000s have the economics to be long-term and important players, however.

215.6 Million. That's the number of US enplanements in 2017 that will be directly or indirectly the result of international demand. It will be near 30% of all US passenger traffic. Message to airports: Low fares to Orlando are nice, but your international access is far more important in being part of the global economy.
Old 08-20-2012 | 07:27 AM
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Credit Boyd, Aviation Planning, Hotflash:

CRJ-700s... In typical 6/60 configuration, the six first class seats tend to be used for freebie upgrades, not direct sales. Ergo, the 70 seaters are now 60-seaters in terms of revenue potential. The larger CRJ-900/1000s have the economics to be long-term and important players, however.
DCI 700s are 9/56.
Old 08-20-2012 | 07:31 AM
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D'oh.

CRJ-700s. Watch for economics to catch up with these airliners in the next five years, too. Great airplanes. But in shifting them to dual class configuration, as most carriers are doing, they effectively lose ten salable seats. In typical 6/60 configuration, the six first class seats tend to be used for freebie upgrades, not direct sales. Ergo, the 70 seaters are now 60-seaters in terms of revenue potential. The larger CRJ-900/1000s have the economics to be long-term and important players, however.
So we turned 70 seaters into just a little bigger 50 seaters? With rising CASM they'll become a burden on the airline but given we have long term contracts on them the only way to solve this pro... nevermind. Hey, who is up for 16 777-300s?
Old 08-20-2012 | 07:32 AM
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up and get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.

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Old 08-20-2012 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up or get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.
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Do you have a little insight on this douglas design featurette?
Old 08-20-2012 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
Nothing to see here. Just another MD88 hydraulic failure. Fortunately, there is not a whole lot of difference between the loss of system(s) and the normal operation of the system. LT side still has it's half of what matters. So you got that going for you. Besides, what could possibly go wrong?
Originally Posted by Brocc15
I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up or get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.
That was nice of them to put skids on them, anticipating system failure

Since Douglas hydraulics, with un-pressurized reservoirs and completely overwhelmed right side accumulators (for chriss'sakes even the Brazillia had pressurized reservoirs) a forgetful FO, or normal operation, will result in failure. (Why Douglas, with 69 lighting switches and rheostats on the flight deck could not spring for one micro-switch on the gear handle to run the aux pump, who knows? For that matter, the whole system is a DC9-10's with more reservoir capacity and hooptied up with an old aux pump off a DC-10 to blow the thing up to 3,000 PSID)

Of course line pilots will refer to the QRH and follow that guidance precisely. However, with my Doctorate in Douglas Post Certification Test and Re-Design, ... figure the right side hydraulics were already FUBAR'd and turning everything off could not hurt. After about 3 to 5 minutes for the system to burp itself I'd turn it back on and see what happened. Without the assistance of the DC-10's super hooptie'd super cooled overclocked aux pump to make air bubbles irrelevant at 3,000 PSI the system can get enough air in it to make it less of a hydraulic system and more of a 400 knot Schwinn bicycle tire.

We Douglas Line Flying Test Pilots hope to get pressurized accumulators, or a switch on the gear handle, like Boeing has had since aircraft names had "Strato" in front of them.

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Old 08-20-2012 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
HEY! Kudos to the guy who put that as one of the LOEs.

No biggie. The gear door(s) did not close after the gear extended. Run the QRH, stop it on the runway, latch the doors manually, pin it and tow it in and high five your sim partner cuz you just got away with LOE murder.

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