Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1250072)

Does that make his words any less valid? He's likely to be working under the TA... soon....ish... maybe?

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1250077)

Considering how vocally P.O.'d a lot of the regional guys are at Delta for shutting down comair, shuffling their flying to the lowest bidders, etc, I've said next to nothing about Delta Air Lines and their management. I never criticized them or their management for offering the TA they did. It was good business sense. My criticism has been mostly aimed squarely at ALPA. Are you really telling me that I'd better stop posting criticism of ALPA or I risk not making it off of probation? :confused:

Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1250074)

Junglebus,

I have a question and it is a sincere one. Why do you want to come to work with a group of guys, two thirds of whom you have essentially said you have no respect for? I don't know/think I could do that and be happy.

Denny

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1250033)

Ya'll are really reaching tonight... His posting history doesn't slander the airline.

I've known him for a long time, too. He's a well spoken and mannered pilot. Not to mention his posts on the TA were some of the best written.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1250093)

So a guy that isn't even on our seniority list is a "well spoken and mannered pilot" when he calls out 2/3's of the pilots he wants to work with? They must teach different CRM down there at Compass....:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1250081)

Dude, you need to go back and read your posts. I'm not in charge of hiring...I am a Delta pilot. Your opinion of the 12000 guys and girls you soon might be a member of is lacking. I could care less about what you think of ALPA. I do, however, have some serious concerns about your opinions of us. I can't imagine a prospective new hire who has voiced his/her negative opinions of his future fellow pilots as you have. It is my opinion, and sincere recommendation, that you walk it back a little.

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1250090)

Denny, I've already said my post of last night was tactless and inflammatory. It was essentially a flamebait grenade tossed into the forum, which isn't my usual style, and for that I apologize. More specifically, my use of the word "deluded" doesn't fit how I actually feel about the situation, because there are several posters here who were yes voters, who were sincere, provided good debate, and elucidated some good reasons for voting the way they did. I counted you among that group. I don't consider you "deluded" for voting yes, or for that matter the faceless group of yes voters that make up roughly 2/3 of the DAL pilot group. But really, anyone who voted for a contract with productivity concessions should not be surprised by continued stagnation.

The reality is that any major airline I go to, not just Delta, will be filled with pilots who have, over the years, voted for greater outsourcing and other things that affect every pilot's career in a negative manner. Many had good reasons at the time. Many simply have very good lives outside of work, don't worry about work a lot, and take their union's recommendations when it comes to voting. I don't disrespect these guys because they've been around a lot longer than me, who knows what I would have done in their place, and in any case their votes constitute a small percentage of who they are as a pilot, much less as a person.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to try to change these guys' minds. As someone who came up through the ranks just as outsourcing went bonkers, I've seen up close the destruction it's wreaked on the profession, and have my own unique perspective that someone who's senior at a major simply cannot. I want to help change Delta Air Lines, or wherever I go, for the better - both through my vote and my voice. I rest assured that as a lot of the old guard retires and new guys with a similar background to my own come in, things will change for the better.

Lastly, nearly every personal exchange I've had over the years with Delta pilots - in their jumpseat or in mine, in union business, over beers - has been a positive one. It's a good group of guys I think I'll get along well with, even when we disagree on things like outsourcing or granting concessions to a profitable company. That's my sincere answer to your sincere question.

Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1250095)

I need to get Boomer to give me posting lessons, everyone loves that guy. Step 1: change avatar to a fuzzy kitten! Step 2: underboob!