Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1262485)

There are about 40 people that are in the new hire mentor program. It's outlined in the FOM. Each newhire is assigned a mentor to assist them with questions they may have and to help them deal with issues that may arise.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1262515)

There are a few naughty words, so be forewarned- but this is absolutely perfect:

My dog: the paradox - The Oatmeal

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1262515)

There are a few naughty words, so be forewarned- but this is absolutely perfect:

My dog: the paradox - The Oatmeal

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1262502)

Do they base it off flying ability? I hope not...

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1262503)

So the only way to be a good "example" and have high standards is to never criticize ALPA?

That mindset is a bit disturbing.

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1262505)

I was thinking the exact, same thing.

Nu

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1262509)

Very well said. Everybody knows I have said this many times before but pilots should never give away work rules (especially those that reduce QOL and/or reduce the need for warm bodies). You never get them back. Very short sighted and our union should be more strategic than they have been these past 10 years.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1262274)

Talking points? mmmmmmkay. I prefer facts, but whatever term makes you feel good.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1262549)

If you "never get work rules back"..... How did we get them in the first place?:eek:

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1262241)

No, the stupid part is you believing that you live in a vacuum. I notice that in your spin machine you left out this text:



The only reason that staffing was addressed at all was the series of lies that were perpetrated by people, many on this webboard, that were trying to down this TA. How do you and Nu Guy respond to that spin? Well, there is no response. You don't think critically, you are just spring loaded to believe whatever crap is put in front of you by someone that matches your agenda. It is really comical that you don't even give a second glance at outright lies but started whining when the true facts are laid out in front of you. Those guys were spinning, we were presenting the facts.

What part of that staffing argument is spin? Please specifically show the part that was spin. We laid out the aircraft delivery schedules, we laid out the staffing assumptions, we went through a detailed analysis of the retirement assumptions. Anyone with a brain could either accept that analysis or conduct their own given the facts that were presented. It was only after a concerted effort was made to deliberately mislead our pilots that this staffing piece was produced. Is that spin or is that trying to present facts? The problem is you don't want facts, you want emotion to match your agenda.

What is happening in Europe right now? It is in a recession. Yes, the economy is contracting and not by a little. Spain has unemployment above 20%, that is depression level. It is impacting the world economy including China and India. And you call that a scapegoat? Are you so unaware that you don't understand that world business investment drives our entire company? Without the people flying on high fare tickets, this airline would not survive. If you don't have that traffic, you must either contract flying or lose money. It is not that complicated. Or maybe you think it would be better if we went back to unrestrained growth followed by bankruptcy? That worked out so well last time.

So, if hiring doesn't begin in December of this year, it will be July or August of next year. Is seven or eight months such a long time in your world? Seriously, you and Nu Guy are like bratty little children that lash out whenever you don't get your way. Read the entire document and then come back with something that is not based on actual facts and analysis. We specifically mentioned that this was based on flat capacity. What if capacity is down 1 or 2% next year? Well, there is your 7 or 8 months. Do you not have any forward vision or are you just vapor locked into what happens in the next three months?

In that touch and go, what is the difference projected in staffing for this year with and without the TA? 1 person, yes 1. By the end of 2013, the difference was 180 or about 1.5% of the pilot group. So are you saying that that one pilot that one measly pilot is the eight month difference between hiring and not hiring? Is that it, that some pilot looked at that document and said, "Wow, one more pilot needed for this year, yes that pushes me over the edge now I vote yes." What is the spin, is it the touch and go or your selective reading and quoting of the document to match your predefined agenda? Sorry, you are the spin doctors here.

Seriously, listen to you two bleat away on here is just funny. You should be embarrassed. You talk about how to reform the union yet you are unable or unwilling to do even the most basic research about your industry and what affects it. Open your eyes gents and take a look around the world. Quit staring at your belly button, you are not the center of the world.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1262181)

So you thought those jobs were going to show up in 76 days? You do know the contract was signed on 1 July 2012. I also hope your really don't believe that Delta airlines operates in a vacuum. Have you picked up a newspaper since 1 July?
Your stating two thousand jobs will be required by the contract or implied by ALPA is also BS. The document you reference put out by ALPA is still available on the website. You should have read it before voting on the contract but take the time to read it now. Read all if it including the assumptions. The actual number assuming a bunch of things which they carefully spell out was 1107 additional jobs. Thats almost half your quoted number. That number was at the end of 2016 or over 4 years from now. The number quoted for 2012 as far as extra jobs was 1 total job. They quoted 180 additional jobs by the end of 2013 or over 15 months from now. If the economy causes marketing to make a 2 percent downward adjustment in their block hour plan we lose over 200 jobs.
The 1107 additional jobs is almost exactly what you would expect with the addition of the 717's to the fleet and the resultant shift in block hours from DCI to the mainline. The first 717 however is still about a year away from a in service date. Again the contract was signed 76 days ago. Talk to me in 3 years!