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Old 09-27-2012, 11:32 AM
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I guess what I'm asking is how long will the 763's be viable at DAL?
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:38 AM
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I guess what I'm asking is how long will the 763's be viable at DAL?
at a BOW of 40,000lbs less than the 787-8 and with the 787-9 still not a reality the near-term76ER's future is assured...

From a bang for the buck standpoint, I'd expect some 330-300s and 777-300s, both offer top of the line low CASM, with the 330 having the advantage of being nearly 40% cheaper than the 777...

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Old 09-27-2012, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg View Post
at a BOW of 40,000lbs less than the 787-8 and with the 787-9 still not a reality the near-term76ER's future is assured...

From a bang for the buck standpoint, I'd expect some 330-300s and 777-300s, both offer top of the line low CASM, with the 330 having the advantage of being nearly 40% cheaper than the 777...

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Thanks G. Didn't know if there was any more news on that front.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:47 AM
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This is Gulfstream's re-emergence from bankruptcy, which underbid what was left of Mesaba with zero longevity pilots. My question is, what consideration was given to risk management, or does Delta simply assume "safety is a given" ?

Fatal Flying on Airlines No Accident in Pilot Complaints to FAA- Bloomberg

Ex-employees question Gulfstream safety

FAA Probes Trainer of Commuter Pilots - WSJ.com

Makes for interesting reading ... use of car parts to repair airplanes, pilots scheduled beyond FAR limits, falsification of records, and at least tangential involvement in the worst fatal accidents of the past decade ... .
If Delta cared about safety or the quality of their product, they wouldn't have hired GoJet or Gulfstream (former "pay for a right seat job" carrier).

Delta cares about one thing: who can do it the cheapest.

Kinda sad, but at least they're consistent.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:00 PM
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is that really her?
Her who? If she's a lesbian that is a real shame..
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:07 PM
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What, no tie in to abortions in China? Have to admit I'm mildly surprised the DPA even exists; $88,000, really? That's money better spent on strippers, who are after all, just young women trying to work their way through college ... God bless 'em all.

But, am I not the only pilot who responds to this news with a "meh' who cares?" After all, it is the Captain's jumpseat, not mine. What right does anyone have to make a big stink? The DPA has not representational legitimacy and should not even be recognized until it does. Even more so, if someone chooses to wear a lanyard with something that others might find offensive, aren't they putting a chip on their shoulder and daring someone to come along and knock it off?

Even more so, why would the Company consider it to be discrimination if a Captain sees a controversial lanyard and thinks "hey, I don't want my crew jawing about that stuff this leg ... lets focus on the mission here."

I'm more amazed at the sense of entilement and follow up than the Captain's decision regarding his jumpseat.

Guess, I'd make a lousy Chief. 50% of what comes to the desk would get a " really, who cares? " Running an airline should be about safety, service and efficiency. If it does not fit into those broad categories ... then what business is it to management? Tell me what I am missing.
We give the JS to JetBlue and other listed non-union carriers everyday, but now kicking fellow employee, dues paying ALPA members off the JS is ok? Last I remember ALPA was a democratic organization, and a fundamental right in a democracy is free and open elections and the right to vote for the other guy. I might find a Obama or Mitt sticker offensive as well. Slippery slope there.

I think the bigger issue is a ALPA volunteer kicking a JS'er off a ALPA negotiated benefit and the faithful defending it. The JS is the Captains prerogative, but he is expected to use good judgement and discretion. This guy did not IMO. I would have welcomed him and used the opportunity to persuade him why ALPA is the better alternative, sort of like we do with the non-union guys. The Captain gets an F in headwork.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL View Post
We give the JS to JetBlue and other listed non-union carriers everyday, but now kicking fellow employee, dues paying ALPA members off the JS is ok? Last I remember ALPA was a democratic organization, and a fundamental right in a democracy is free and open elections and the right to vote for the other guy. I might find a Obama or Mitt sticker offensive as well. Slippery slope there.

I think the bigger issue is a ALPA volunteer kicking a JS'er off a ALPA negotiated benefit and the faithful defending it. The JS is the Captains prerogative, but he is expected to use good judgement and discretion. This guy did not IMO. I would have welcomed him and used the opportunity to persuade him why ALPA is the better alternative, sort of like we do with the non-union guys. The Captain gets an F in headwork.
Don't know all the details, but if you're talking about the guy that showed up in jeans, then it's on him. The CA was just following the book. If you choose to show up in inappropriate attire, you should have a plan B in place if the CA doesn't let you on. I'm still not sure how this relates to DPA - maybe I have the stories crossed.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by grasshopper View Post
Thanks G. Didn't know if there was any more news on that front.
the news is in the lack thereof....

Both aircraft can be had or will be available shortly in a roundabout way without purchasing directly from the manufacturer...

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Old 09-27-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL View Post
We give the JS to JetBlue and other listed non-union carriers everyday, but now kicking fellow employee, dues paying ALPA members off the JS is ok? Last I remember ALPA was a democratic organization, and a fundamental right in a democracy is free and open elections and the right to vote for the other guy. I might find a Obama or Mitt sticker offensive as well. Slippery slope there.

I think the bigger issue is a ALPA volunteer kicking a JS'er off a ALPA negotiated benefit and the faithful defending it. The JS is the Captains prerogative, but he is expected to use good judgement and discretion. This guy did not IMO. I would have welcomed him and used the opportunity to persuade him why ALPA is the better alternative, sort of like we do with the non-union guys. The Captain gets an F in headwork.
Perhaps, but it is his decision to make. Is it safety related, poor customer service or inefficient? If none of those it would not raise an objection from me. Perhaps the Captain did not wish to have "that" conversation. The flight deck isn't a "democracy."

There is a place to campaign for your issues. The cockpit probably isn't it.

Given that the DPA is a mortal threat to ALPA, there is a lot of tolerance for the DPA by those of us who value our union.

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Old 09-27-2012, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge View Post
Don't know all the details, but if you're talking about the guy that showed up in jeans, then it's on him. The CA was just following the book. If you choose to show up in inappropriate attire, you should have a plan B in place if the CA doesn't let you on. I'm still not sure how this relates to DPA - maybe I have the stories crossed.
Yep ... two stories.

As I read one, the Captain told the JS to stow his DPA lanyard or ride in back. The DPA used the event as a reason to make a stink.
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