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Old 09-27-2012 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
there is only one man I know for this job... where is Ferd?
Wonton Lesbian not seeking secret sauce.



Her father's a ringer for Yoko Ono though.

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Old 09-27-2012 | 11:08 AM
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Dang. It's quiet. Something is up
Old 09-27-2012 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Don't have the contract open right now, but I'm pretty sure any aircraft below 37 seats don't count against the the total cap* laid out in the new Section 1. As I understand it, the 340's will have 30 seats, and thus not be counted in the new limit.

Also, I think 425 is the "end state" limit which is not fully in effect if/until management exercises their option to operate more 76 seaters at DCI. I'm sure they'll do it, but the delivery of a 76 seater is what triggers the requirement to reduce the DCI fleet count - ie park 50 seaters.

They also must take delivery of 1.25 717's for every one 76 seater they want to operate. As the 717's aren't slated to show up until mid-2013, they still have plenty of time to announce where the 76 seaters are going.

*It should be noted that there was no limit in the previous PWA either.
It's an interline agreement, not a codeshare or capacity purchase.
As such, there is no limit on aircraft size, count or seats.

Perfectly legal.

The main rub IMHO is from a union standpoint, replacing ALPA represented pilots with non-union represented pilots. To me that goes against the principle of having a national union, but I'm most likely in the minority here...

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Old 09-27-2012 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
It's an interline agreement, not a codeshare or capacity purchase.
As such, there is no limit on aircraft size, count or seats.

Perfectly legal.

The main rub IMHO is from a union standpoint, replacing ALPA represented pilots with non-union represented pilots. To me that goes against the principle of having a national union, but I'm most likely in the minority here...

Cheers
George
... and such a stellar operational reputation to boot.
Old 09-27-2012 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Wonton Lesbian not seeking secret sauce.



Her father's a ringer for Yoko Ono though.

is that really her?
Old 09-27-2012 | 11:28 AM
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Is this the next widebody direction? We are on the narrowbody path but probably are starting to think about what's next there too..

Old 09-27-2012 | 11:32 AM
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I guess what I'm asking is how long will the 763's be viable at DAL?
Old 09-27-2012 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by grasshopper
I guess what I'm asking is how long will the 763's be viable at DAL?
at a BOW of 40,000lbs less than the 787-8 and with the 787-9 still not a reality the near-term76ER's future is assured...

From a bang for the buck standpoint, I'd expect some 330-300s and 777-300s, both offer top of the line low CASM, with the 330 having the advantage of being nearly 40% cheaper than the 777...

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Old 09-27-2012 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
at a BOW of 40,000lbs less than the 787-8 and with the 787-9 still not a reality the near-term76ER's future is assured...

From a bang for the buck standpoint, I'd expect some 330-300s and 777-300s, both offer top of the line low CASM, with the 330 having the advantage of being nearly 40% cheaper than the 777...

Cheers
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Thanks G. Didn't know if there was any more news on that front.
Old 09-27-2012 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
This is Gulfstream's re-emergence from bankruptcy, which underbid what was left of Mesaba with zero longevity pilots. My question is, what consideration was given to risk management, or does Delta simply assume "safety is a given" ?

Fatal Flying on Airlines No Accident in Pilot Complaints to FAA- Bloomberg

Ex-employees question Gulfstream safety

FAA Probes Trainer of Commuter Pilots - WSJ.com

Makes for interesting reading ... use of car parts to repair airplanes, pilots scheduled beyond FAR limits, falsification of records, and at least tangential involvement in the worst fatal accidents of the past decade ... .
If Delta cared about safety or the quality of their product, they wouldn't have hired GoJet or Gulfstream (former "pay for a right seat job" carrier).

Delta cares about one thing: who can do it the cheapest.

Kinda sad, but at least they're consistent.
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