Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-30-2012, 06:43 AM
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So what's your point? Almost 4 whole percent of the pilot group make the highest wages, and we are getting 88 more of the lowest paying aircraft. Sure, there might be some FOs that move up into higher paying positions, but it's chump change in the big picture. We are downguaging. Bigger paying more in a fleet makeup like ours is retarded. No DB retirement plan to legitimize sacrificing one's QOL at a later point in life no longer exists, so now one has to sacrifice QOL throughout one's entire career to make retirement payoff. It is really very simple. The largest fleet now pays significantly less than the big iron, and with the reduction in 757s and increase in the 737 fleet in the not so distant future, a pilot's potential career earning is going down. Math.
11-30-2012, 06:53 AM
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It is ok T we should just trust and show good faith. I'm sure they have our best interest at heart. They always take care of us as long as we play nice.
11-30-2012, 07:09 AM
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Wall Street is on AMC.
11-30-2012, 07:15 AM
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looks like we are putting pressure on an LCC in NYC, not just the one in ATL:
JBLU to Exit Pittsburgh-NYC Route - Yahoo! Finance
JBLU to Exit Pittsburgh-NYC Route - Yahoo! Finance
11-30-2012, 07:29 AM
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What I can't figure out is why DALPA is so compliant with all this.
Our top end aircraft and most desirable routes are being slowly phased out and the union sends out these JV agreements with a smile and self-congratulations. WT* are they thinking?
They are proud of their accomplishments because the destruction of our international route structure is now written into our contract? They tell us management doesn't need our permission to do these deals so we give them our permission to do these deals and claim victory? How is that a good thing?
Is the MEC in a trance?
The ghost of Moak and his "whatever is good for the corporation is good for the pilots" philosophy is still haunting us. Constructive engagement has to have a limit. We can not continue to allow our jobs to be outsourced or we will be extinct.
Our top end aircraft and most desirable routes are being slowly phased out and the union sends out these JV agreements with a smile and self-congratulations. WT* are they thinking?
They are proud of their accomplishments because the destruction of our international route structure is now written into our contract? They tell us management doesn't need our permission to do these deals so we give them our permission to do these deals and claim victory? How is that a good thing?
Is the MEC in a trance?
The ghost of Moak and his "whatever is good for the corporation is good for the pilots" philosophy is still haunting us. Constructive engagement has to have a limit. We can not continue to allow our jobs to be outsourced or we will be extinct.
11-30-2012, 07:34 AM
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That is all very logical and nice... to a degree. With our Alaska deal on the west coast, I see no upside for the DAL pilots even when/if there is an uptick in the economy. I see a nice money making venture for DAL, but little for the DAL pilot, both in the near term and in the future in terms of potential that this deal brings. I hope I am wrong, but all I see here is the potential for us to pull out of SYD, and keep the peeps flowing thru our system. Step one is complete. That being said, I have not read the agreement in it's entirety, and I am admittedly shooting from the hip, but on first blush, I see nothing here that will improve our lot.
Um, did you read the JV language that is posted on the DALPA page? What is the min number of allowed weekly frequencies under this LOA 14? Is that 0? Is there a way they can go to 0 under the language in this agreement?
As for forcing DAL to fly more metal, correct, there is nothing to force them to fly more metal unless VA goes above 21 weekly frequencies. What is included in what constitutes in increase is a lot broader in nature that OZ-mainland US though.
On a side note, how can you force the company to buy two 200 million dollar jets off the bat to fly another frequency to bring us to 14-14? If you have a viable way, tell your reps.
11-30-2012, 07:45 AM
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Um, did you read the JV language that is posted on the DALPA page? What is the min number of allowed weekly frequencies under this LOA 14? Is that 0? Is there a way they can go to 0 under the language in this agreement?
As for forcing DAL to fly more metal, correct, there is nothing to force them to fly more metal unless VA goes above 21 weekly frequencies. What is included in what constitutes in increase is a lot broader in nature that OZ-mainland US though.
On a side note, how can you force the company to buy two 200 million dollar jets off the bat to fly another frequency to bring us to 14-14? If you have a viable way, tell your reps.
As for forcing DAL to fly more metal, correct, there is nothing to force them to fly more metal unless VA goes above 21 weekly frequencies. What is included in what constitutes in increase is a lot broader in nature that OZ-mainland US though.
On a side note, how can you force the company to buy two 200 million dollar jets off the bat to fly another frequency to bring us to 14-14? If you have a viable way, tell your reps.
The Union should get out of the business of trying to manage this airline. The Union needs to start protecting and enhancing our careers. I do not buy any of this. There needs to be a fine inseparable line between our Management and our Union.
Please take the blinders off. With all do respect.
TEN
11-30-2012, 07:46 AM
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Our top end aircraft and most desirable routes are being slowly phased out and the union sends out these JV agreements with a smile and self-congratulations. WT* are they thinking?
Is the MEC in a trance?
The ghost of Moak and his "whatever is good for the corporation is good for the pilots" philosophy is still haunting us. Constructive engagement has to have a limit.
Is the MEC in a trance?
The ghost of Moak and his "whatever is good for the corporation is good for the pilots" philosophy is still haunting us. Constructive engagement has to have a limit.
And once you come back to the real world, maybe we can have a discussion.
"Trance." I think I see somebody in one. Sheesh.
11-30-2012, 07:49 AM
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It is none of my business or the unions business to find out a way to buy two 200 million dollar jets for DAL. This is what RA and his team are hired and get paid, handsomely, to do. We dont have to force the company to do anything, what we need to do is become a force so that the company doesnt make these shady one sided deals. Look, 21-7 is severely lopsided.
The Union should get out of the business of trying to manage this airline. The Union needs to start protecting and enhancing our careers. I do not buy any of this. There needs to be a fine inseparable line between our Management and our Union.
Please take the blinders off. With all do respect.
The Union should get out of the business of trying to manage this airline. The Union needs to start protecting and enhancing our careers. I do not buy any of this. There needs to be a fine inseparable line between our Management and our Union.
Please take the blinders off. With all do respect.
Is 14-0 different than 21-7?
Is 21-0 different than 21-7?
Without the JV (straight code share) what protections do you have from 0?
Please take the blinders off.
11-30-2012, 07:55 AM
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.We should never be in a position of 14-0 or 21-0 with a strong Union that protects, enhances our careers and has the pilot groups' best interest.
TEN
Slow, let me ask you this: Why do you think VA, in this JV, should have 3x more flying to Australia then Delta.
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