What I can't figure out is why DALPA is so compliant with all this.
Our top end aircraft and most desirable routes are being slowly phased out and the union sends out these JV agreements with a smile and self-congratulations. WT* are they thinking?

They are proud of their accomplishments because the destruction of our international route structure is now written into our contract? They tell us management doesn't need our permission to do these deals so we give them our permission to do these deals and claim victory? How is that a good thing?

Is the MEC in a trance?
The ghost of Moak and his "whatever is good for the corporation is good for the pilots" philosophy is still haunting us. Constructive engagement has to have a limit. We can not continue to allow our jobs to be outsourced or we will be extinct.

 

Um, did you read the JV language that is posted on the DALPA page? What is the min number of allowed weekly frequencies under this LOA 14? Is that 0? Is there a way they can go to 0 under the language in this agreement?

As for forcing DAL to fly more metal, correct, there is nothing to force them to fly more metal unless VA goes above 21 weekly frequencies. What is included in what constitutes in increase is a lot broader in nature that OZ-mainland US though.

On a side note, how can you force the company to buy two 200 million dollar jets off the bat to fly another frequency to bring us to 14-14? If you have a viable way, tell your reps.

 

It is none of my business or the unions business to find out a way to buy two 200 million dollar jets for DAL. This is what RA and his team are hired and get paid, handsomely, to do. We dont have to force the company to do anything, what we need to do is become a force so that the company doesnt make these shady one sided deals. Look, 21-7 is severely lopsided.

The Union should get out of the business of trying to manage this airline. The Union needs to start protecting and enhancing our careers. I do not buy any of this. There needs to be a fine inseparable line between our Management and our Union.

Please take the blinders off. With all do respect.

TEN

 

How about challenging Alfa's numbers from a page ago rather than continuing with the pity party and misstatements of fact.

And once you come back to the real world, maybe we can have a discussion.

"Trance." I think I see somebody in one. Sheesh.

 

With all "do" respect.

Is 14-0 different than 21-7?

Is 21-0 different than 21-7?

Without the JV (straight code share) what protections do you have from 0?

Please take the blinders off.

 

The blinders are off. I dont like what I am seeing because the trend is disconcerting.

We should never be in a position of 14-0 or 21-0 with a strong Union that protects, enhances our careers and has the pilot groups' best interest.

TEN

Slow, let me ask you this: Why do you think VA, in this JV, should have 3x more flying to Australia then Delta.

 

You conveniently took a powder during the company-mandated gatehouse PA discussion.

What, if anything, is DALPA doing to address the addition of these non-negotiated additional duties?

 

First, I did not say it was the unions business how to buy these jets, I said how do you "force" the company to buy these jets. Big difference.

What this deal does is allows DAL to not have to pull down flying if V Oz does, it codifies what areas on the map, not just OZ-Mainland US are included in growth, it backstops the pull back of DAL in the market to five and worst case four frequencies a week.

If you realize the crew inefficiency of four weekly flights you will also realize the crews involved at this level of flying with our CDA and trip rigs.

It does not give us a day one increase in pilot bock hrs, but unlike the previous language which was did not guarantee any growth to us, this one does after one more daily rt is added by a very very very small carrier. 14-14 day one would be awesome, duh! The reality is that this market that this jv was signed for has been generally stable for the last few years wrt to frequencies between carriers.

As for your last comment. Go to a MEC meeting attend what you can, and see the work your reps do. I have been to a few over the years, and though the results are not always to my side of an issue, the debate is well thought out by all parties.

This JV passed 19-0. Ask your rep why he voted yes.

 

Slow,

Many folks see this latest JV as a loss of future widebody positions. If we outsource (JV) our widebody flying what do we have left? A narrow body airline like southwest. I don't want to fly a 737 the rest of my life. Look, I know the world economy sucks. I know a global alliance is happening among the worlds airlines. We just might be Skyteam airlines in 10 years. Why can't the Delta pilots be the big winner in one of these JV's? Doesn't DALPA represent the pilots? Is DALPA too focused on sucking up to management? I know, a profitable company is good for the pilots. Your right about that. Just once though I'd like to see an announcement like this...


DALPA and the company today announced a new JV with Virgin Australia. This agreement will increase super premium widebody positions at the big D. The big D has acquired 4 777-300's to fly these new routes. The big D currently has 7 flights a week to the land of koala bears and kiwis. The big D will take over 14 more flights currently done by Virgin Australia. VA will redeploy their 777's to routes in Asia and the Middle East. Dalpa heard from the secret squirrel that more super premium flying is coming our way. Secret squirrel says the increase in widebody positions will necessitate massive hiring. Green slips aplenty.


...off to the gym to mingle with milfs and reserve pilots. Just hope my locker is available, number 88. Seems some other pilot always takes it and I'm stuck with 90.

 

Good question, this might be a stretch, and I may be way off here, totally thinking out of the box, but how about this - If DAL wants to sell tickets on those routes it has to fly them with Delta Pilots???? Code share implies "share" so wouldn't need to fly something more than zero?


I am not saying this JV wording is not better than nothing - I just wish it were stronger on our behalf, but then again, management is not required to ask the pilots if we like anything.

Scoop