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11-30-2012 | 01:34 PM
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This goes back to the crux of why there is code sharing.
Using the premise that all Delta coded flying be done by Delta pilots, our network (meaning in this case flights flown by Delta pilots) would be substantially smaller than it is today.
How does it benefit the DELTA pilots to have a bigger network if we do less and less of the flying in smaller and smaller airplanes? A bigger network is not better if the additional flying is done by other airlines.
Oz - USA is a strategic route for VA. It is a boutique route to DL. Boutique routes go away when they don't make money. Strategic routes are ones that you "have" to fly in order to stay in business.
Do you mean "you" have to fly as in DELTA, or "you" as in Delta, DCI, Alaska, Skyteam, or any other jet "you" can put pax on?
Under Delta's current strategy, an example of strategic routes would be transcons to business markets; even though they're overserved and have tremendous competition, we have to be in them in order to maintain coporate contracts that pay the freight on the rest of our network.
Do you mean strategic markets like SEA-ATL, SEA-SLC, SEA-DFW, and PDX-BOS, and LAX-DCA? Because we apparently don't HAVE to fly those - Alaska can do it for us. Here's the latest routemap: http://www.delta.com/content/dam/del...-route-map.pdf. Please just open it and look how much green crosses the Mississippi river and goes in and out of our hubs. It's actually gotten a lot worse since I posted it less than a month ago. It's hard to count because they are so blended together (and transparent to the customer), but they are flying our pax on at least 10 transcons so we don't need to do that flying.
So without the codeshare, we pull out of Oz. We also lose the 100-200 pax daily that VA puts into our network and the LAX 737 or 757 but more realistically the AS 737 going wherever the Aussie wants to travel daily departures shrink by 1. It works the opposite way too. We fly to Sidney. VA takes our pax to Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. Lose those pax and our Sydney flight is no longer profitable, as they then go to Qantas.
My example is oversimplified, but let me know if it doesn't speak to your point.
Using the premise that all Delta coded flying be done by Delta pilots, our network (meaning in this case flights flown by Delta pilots) would be substantially smaller than it is today.
How does it benefit the DELTA pilots to have a bigger network if we do less and less of the flying in smaller and smaller airplanes? A bigger network is not better if the additional flying is done by other airlines.
Oz - USA is a strategic route for VA. It is a boutique route to DL. Boutique routes go away when they don't make money. Strategic routes are ones that you "have" to fly in order to stay in business.
Do you mean "you" have to fly as in DELTA, or "you" as in Delta, DCI, Alaska, Skyteam, or any other jet "you" can put pax on?
Under Delta's current strategy, an example of strategic routes would be transcons to business markets; even though they're overserved and have tremendous competition, we have to be in them in order to maintain coporate contracts that pay the freight on the rest of our network.
Do you mean strategic markets like SEA-ATL, SEA-SLC, SEA-DFW, and PDX-BOS, and LAX-DCA? Because we apparently don't HAVE to fly those - Alaska can do it for us. Here's the latest routemap: http://www.delta.com/content/dam/del...-route-map.pdf. Please just open it and look how much green crosses the Mississippi river and goes in and out of our hubs. It's actually gotten a lot worse since I posted it less than a month ago. It's hard to count because they are so blended together (and transparent to the customer), but they are flying our pax on at least 10 transcons so we don't need to do that flying.
So without the codeshare, we pull out of Oz. We also lose the 100-200 pax daily that VA puts into our network and the LAX 737 or 757 but more realistically the AS 737 going wherever the Aussie wants to travel daily departures shrink by 1. It works the opposite way too. We fly to Sidney. VA takes our pax to Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. Lose those pax and our Sydney flight is no longer profitable, as they then go to Qantas.
My example is oversimplified, but let me know if it doesn't speak to your point.
11-30-2012 | 01:41 PM
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11-30-2012 | 02:22 PM
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11-30-2012 | 03:01 PM
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No way, but trolololol nonetheless!
11-30-2012 | 03:08 PM
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I'm far more concerned with the 2:1 imbalance now and the potential 3:1 imbalance we are giving them than I am about the growth after that point. Its doubtful there will ever be growth beyond that point unless UAL or Qantas cancells service. Both of which have a zero chance of happening.
Like tsquare said, this is our pot of gold, not theirs. We just gave a tiny podunk upstart underdog dominance over us for that theatre forever, with no real chance of an upside. Although I guess DL mainline might get a small portion of the non AS, non DCI traffic that flows through our west coast nonhubs.
11-30-2012 | 03:12 PM
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11-30-2012 | 05:19 PM
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Like tsquare said, this is our pot of gold, not theirs. We just gave a tiny podunk upstart underdog dominance over us for that theatre forever, with no real chance of an upside. Although I guess DL mainline might get a small portion of the non AS, non DCI traffic that flows through our west coast nonhubs.
It's pretty clear by now. Should have been clear after AF/KLM...or TAM...or Aeromexico...or China...or...(yes, I know not all of those are JVs. But you get the picture).
International growth at DAL is done FOREVER.
The only thing preventing Delta from outsourcing Africa is the abysmal safety situation among most players there. As soon as one of those clown carriers gets its sh!t semi-together, look for another JV that's "Good for us."
It goes without saying that DALPA will run, kneepads in hand, to sign off on whatever the company wants.
11-30-2012 | 05:22 PM
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11-30-2012 | 05:34 PM
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11-30-2012 | 06:17 PM
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oh i can't wait for the apcf ads i'm going to get now.
i went to amazon to find my 3 year old daughter a "magic wand". She just wants a wand. I wanted to see if they had any of these wands that light up and such.
Evidently, hitachi also makes a wand that rubs your back. it's called the hitachi magic wand. and it has a plethora of... attachments... for the woman who needs a little stimulating.
you know, the kind that makes videos and shares them with you as you get in a taxicab and leave town. makes no sense, you should get that video when you land not when you are leaving on a trip? AMIRITE?
anyways, thanks to amazon, my apcf ads are probably about to drop the ALL ATP flight school for something far more interesting.
i went to amazon to find my 3 year old daughter a "magic wand". She just wants a wand. I wanted to see if they had any of these wands that light up and such.
Evidently, hitachi also makes a wand that rubs your back. it's called the hitachi magic wand. and it has a plethora of... attachments... for the woman who needs a little stimulating.
you know, the kind that makes videos and shares them with you as you get in a taxicab and leave town. makes no sense, you should get that video when you land not when you are leaving on a trip? AMIRITE?
anyways, thanks to amazon, my apcf ads are probably about to drop the ALL ATP flight school for something far more interesting.
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