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Old 12-11-2012 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I don't know, but, the hairs on the back of my neck are raised in a pattern that says "alter ego" in Braille.
This Joint Venture is incredibly dangerous for us.
If its all about London-New York that's one thing.

But-
Virgin 747s London-Atlanta-Sao Paolo?
Or any of 100 other combinations that will now be profitable for Virgin if they are picking up Delta feed on their way through the US.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
Since Virgin pilots are the lowest paid widebody pilots in the World does this mean that Delta pilots will never fly to London again?
Don't worry, soon Sailingfun will tell you how this is a good deal for you.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
So we have JV's now with Virgin Australia and Virgin Atlantic. Is Virgin America next? They've been losing money for some time now.
Great question.

Like they're at the table, ready to leave, and Branson has a sudden flash of inspiration and says, "hey, speaking of money-losing Virgin (ad)ventures..."?
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Is Delta paying $360 million for Singapore's 49% or is Delta investing $360 million in Virgin Atlantic and then paying an unknown amount for the 49%? I don't think that was made clear in the article.

Denny
It's $360M to settle the lie flat seat lawsuit

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Old 12-11-2012 | 08:13 AM
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Cool, George is here. We might actually start getting some interesting facts and perspective.

Go ahead, George, you're on the air.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This Joint Venture is incredibly dangerous for us.
If its all about London-New York that's one thing.

But-
Virgin 747s London-Atlanta-Sao Paolo?
Or any of 100 other combinations that will now be profitable for Virgin if they are picking up Delta feed on their way through the US.
Yeah, but only 49% of the profits accrete to "Delta Air Lines Holdings" bottom line, plus the servicing fee, the fuel, the ticket sales and marketing fee, the management fee ... .
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
Since Virgin pilots are the lowest paid widebody pilots in the World does this mean that Delta pilots will never fly to London again?
We gave all the New York to Paris flights to Air France.
It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what's going to happen with this deal.

This is just a continuation of the Australia thing.
Delta heavy jets are being phased out.

Its not really about pilot costs though. That's only a minor factor.
Its about generating revenue without having to make capital investments.
Delta wants to be a virtual airline to the extent possible. Selling airline tickets without actually having to buy airplanes is very profitable.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
This Joint Venture is incredibly dangerous for us.
If its all about London-New York that's one thing.

But-
Virgin 747s London-Atlanta-Sao Paolo?
Or any of 100 other combinations that will now be profitable for Virgin if they are picking up Delta feed on their way through the US.
That would be cabotage.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate
Where?.....
Domestically to compete British Airways.
Old 12-11-2012 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
We gave all the New York to Paris flights to Air France.
It doesn't take a crystal ball to see what's going to happen with this deal.

This is just a continuation of the Australia thing.
Delta heavy jets are being phased out.

Its not really about pilot costs though. That's only a minor factor.
Its about generating revenue without having to make capital investments.
Delta wants to be a virtual airline to the extent possible. Selling airline tickets without actually having to buy airplanes is very profitable.
We fly a daily 767-400 from JFK to CDG. Since the JV, we've added a number of new cities (PIT, PHL, ORD, SEA, SLC) to Paris. The most we ever flew on that route was a daily 767-300 ER before the merger. How are we "phasing out" Delta heavy jets on Australia? Did I miss something?
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