LNL76

Sorry if I'm not a fan of age discrimination. Someday, you will understand.

I don't "troll" anything. I follow the TOS like most of you and am allowed to be a member. If you don't like it, you can always employ the ignore function.

sailingfun

I am not a fan of age discrimination either however we have working flight attendants who are not physically capable of performing some of the basic tasks required of a flight attendant without even getting into the issue of a emergency. Flight attendant recurrent needs to be changed to reflect the realities of what occurs in a accident and also the day to day job requirements. If a flight attendant is incapable of moving a cart from the back of the aircraft to the front then she should not be working. If she can't assist with putting passengers bags in the overhead she should not be working. If she can not manually open a door with some cant to the fuselage as there will almost always be after a accident then she should not be working. Everyone knows about the come back at 4 O'clock waiver for flight attendants at recurrent who can't complete some tasks.

LNL76

I agree that either you can pass RCT or you can't. However, FAs are not really supposed to be responsible for loading bags in overhead bins. If pax pack them and can schlep them the whole way onto the plane, they should be able to stow it themselves. We are told not to risk injuring ourselves doing that task.

Check Essential

Age discrimination is wrong and it is illegal. Your point is well taken. However, Just to add to sailingfun's points about physical capabilities, You can't Be so naïve as to deny that some of the criticism of our more "veteran" flight attendants is justified based on both attitude and appearance. It is not just "juvenile" talk.
Granted, the same could be said of many older pilots. But pilots are not public contact employees to anywhere near the extent that flight attendants are. There is a difference.
It is simply accepting reality to acknowledge that given a choice most passengers would prefer a more "enthusiastic" and yes, more attractive, cabin crew.
Most of our senior flight attendants provide excellent service but please don't insult our intelligence by pretending that the "cat rancher" issue doesn't exist.

LNL76

So, all older FAs are unattractive and nasty and all young ones are beautiful and charming? You're not really saying that with a straight face are you?
You also can't tell me that senior mamas (and papas) don't follow uniform rules and regulations better than a lot of the young'uns who think rules are for everyone except them.
As far as passengers wanting a more "enthusiastic, and yes more attractive" cabin crew"---who the hell are you referring to? Middle aged, jackass businessmen who think they can board a plane and find a good lay? Call me nuts, but I don't judge anyone on their looks----besides everyone's standards are different. I'd rather have someone pleasant and classy who has experience rather than a Barbie (or for that matter) Ken doll who doesn't have a clue about customer service or how to follow a uniform rule.
Can someone pleeaaaasssse tell me when getting from Point A to Point B became akin to visiting a strip club or a pick-up bar?

P.S. I'd also rather have a FA who has control over the cabin (gained through experience) rather than one who doesn't have the guts to enforce the FARs and let's the flight be a free-for-all.

Erdude32

Good grief, I apologize for my "juvenile" comments....I was just trying to be funny....just as I was when I posted the pic of the hot Santa dude. If you don't want to be offended by the guy talk in our virtual "bar" then don't come here for your beer. Sheesh. I'm probably the only pole smoker on here and I post 1 picture a year, I don't get offended by underboob the other 364 days a year. This is all in fun and a great place to swap lies and rumors. Lighten up just a bit, life is more fun that way

LNL76

As for your passengers not caring about what pilots look like---- again, where'd you get that impression. Nothing sickens me more than a so-called professional who looks like a hot mess and a punk. Makes me shudder thinking about what other rules he doesn't think he has to follow.

johnso29

I do not see where anyone posted that passengers don't care what pilots look like. I did see where CheckEssential stated that we have pilots that seem to not care how they look, as well as flight attendants.

sailingfun

My understanding is that flight attendants are supposed to be proactive in assisting passengers and insuring the overhead bins are properly loaded. When we had song the flight attendants did this extremely well. The fact they were proactive in the loading insured that despite the 757's having more seats then the mainline we almost never had to check bags and the boarding process was much smoother. If however flight attendants are not supposed to assist the passengers or insure proper loading of the overhead bins then they should at least be capable of lifting their own bags into the overhead.

LNL76

You can assist, which means the passenger does most of the work and you help them--not that they take their seat while you fumble with their 50 lb. oversized bag. Yes. we have to re-jigger the bins to ensure optimum room for every bag possible which sometimes involved turning the bag another way or removing smaller bags which should be placed under seats. Again, this isn't us being mean---it's preventing injury. Of course. common sense has to prevail and I would always do all the work for an elderly or disabled passenger...(even if it meant getting another FA to help me)