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Old 12-22-2012, 05:27 PM
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Guys.. Stop the freak out, seriously.

Express your concerns to the reps and they can consult with the REAL labor law attorneys that we employ determine just WTH is going on and how it impacts our PWA.....

It might be a real issue, it might turn out to be nothing at all.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:33 PM
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post
Guys.. Stop the freak out, seriously.

Express your concerns to the reps and they can consult with the REAL labor law attorneys that we employ determine just WTH is going on and how it impacts our PWA.....

It might be a real issue, it might turn out to be nothing at all.
Slight problem.... who is we ?

ALPA attorneys work for ... ALPA.

If the problem is ALPA, then you're going to the wrong attorney.

That's the screwed up nature of this problem.

As far as I know, the Delta MEC does not have independent Council.

Guess we could just let this thing blow up and fight another big regional airline lawsuit for a decade, pay a bunch of money and waste a pile of time ... or the MEC Chairmen from Delta and another Major could pick up the phone to Herndon and say "knock it off." I'm hoping someone has the good sense to pick up the phone.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
NWA,
Its a safe bet we will fight for pay raises in every TA - regardless of what is going on with Scope.


Scoop
ie sell scope.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nwa757 View Post
ie sell scope.
Well, we didn't do that on this most recent contract. With the lack of qualified applicants for regionals increasing, the power is swinging back to mainline pilots.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
It is not quite that easy. The Delta MEC is on record of having not been notified, or presented Pinnacle's scope opener. There was a clear violation of Admin Manual Section 40, Part 1.

Please review the little history lesson I posted:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1317378
Moke: "Whoops, sorry guys. I'll let you know next time. But I mean, come on, really. It's not like Im not a Delta pilot too."

I can't imagine the outrage if he tried this with the Fedex group.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia View Post
Moke: "Whoops, sorry guys. I'll let you know next time. But I mean, come on, really. It's not like Im not a Delta pilot too."

I can't imagine the outrage if he tried this with the Fedex group.
There is more to this story than Bar's history lesson and a policy manual faux pas. Call me paranoid, but this little event with Pinnacle demonstrates the continuing Lorenzo-ization of this industry.

We play nice at DALPA, but if you think a simple innocuous undercutting of bargaining rights is acceptable, you are fooling yourself.

The "lunatic fringe" raises all kinds of conspiracies and blames the union for not doing this or that...If this PNCL contract flies and gets signed, the fringe elements are correct.

To catch a crook, you have to think like a crook. IMO, strategic planning is sorely lacking especially in its efforts to "restore" the profession. Strategic planning step 1: Define the desired "end state" for all ALPA carriers...all follow on steps lead us on a path to the desired end state.

If any Union business is not conducted with the desired end state always at the forefront, then we have an ineffective strategy.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:10 AM
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LM the leader of ALPA and former leader of DAPLA, he should of all people on planet earth said "stop" DALPA needs to be here. LM's fault, with a degree of DAL's for not doing the same.

To the person who said TW devious desire to get to DAL, I call bs. TW would still have to interview with this and I think he is a stand up guy. His job is first to the Pinnacle pilots and LM was there.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:11 AM
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somehow it posted twice
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
the power is swinging back to mainline pilots.
Now there's an oxymoron if I have ever seen one. Give me an example of the "power" we have shown recently?
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