That's a good point. If you add up recent announcements, they're neutral or better for the left seat. If you're an ER FO, you're still looking forward to improvements. The memo alludes to surpluses on NB CA positions, that they don't expect to create displacements.

They may also reduce backfilling, however.

One big factor is the number of backfills from the MRA's. I think they previously replaced only a few, and said they were just "starting the process", but limited by training slots. I had expected the process to continue. Was I misunderstanding something?

 

johnso29 has never let his duties as a mod interfere with his compulsive need to refute anything that portrays Delta and/or DALPA in a less-than-pristine manner.

 

My wife, yes.

You're not married, right?

 

It's an honest question. You're taking a pessimistic view, & I'm pointing it out. Of course not all flying will be moved, and no one said it would. The fact that the company is moving ATL 767 flying to ATL 7ER is a good thing.

As a mod, I am not precluded from discussion. As long as I don't violate the TOS, I am free to participate.

 

And you've never provided one constructive post. Not one. You constantly spew negativity. You portray a miserable person. BTW, no one forces you to come on this forum. If you don't like my moderating, then PM HSLD about it. I think he'll disagree with you though. It won't be hard to after looking at your post history.

 

Sink, I have been concerned as to what was going to happen with the 767 category in ATL. It's good to see that most of the flying was going over to the ER. I honestly can't see us not hiring before long with the large number of aircraft coming on property. My biggest concern is that management is way too focused on #'s while United jumps into our former markets. They are now year-round in IST with a 777. They also have year-round sevice to EDI, with 2 flights in the summer. Same for SNN. For the first time I am beginning to doubt RA and the rest ofsenior management, as they seem to be obsessed with the 10% margin while we shrink capacity across the Atlantic. We have pulled out of way too many markets in Europe.

 

Thanks.

I look at it exactly the same way. For sure, the 767 time moving to the ER is not negative (in the aggregate, because it's a definite negative for the affected pilots). Overall, since the memo gives no numbers, and doesn't specify the ER surpluses, there is no real way to tell the net effect.

As far as the WB flying goes, I'm also concerned that RA/Skyteam is dropping direct flights from US hubs to secondary European cities. We seem to favor two massive domestic feeds, with hub-to-hub flying. With an extra connection. Looks great on paper, especially if you're not transporting humans. I hope this is a temporary defensive move, not a regression of the DAL model that was being developed before RA, to the NW/KLM model (take everyone to AMS, then KLM does the rest, and vice-versa). Not that it wasn't an innovative model in the interline days, it's just no longer a great way to route passengers in the day of the immunized JV.

 

I took that update as very negative. It looks like just about every category is displacing including MD-88 as the 717's arrive. I already mentioned on hear I have heard the furlough word mentioned a couple times recently. That might not happen, but it is pretty obvious that we are still a few years away from hiring. I personally think it could be 5 more years.

 

You and Purple Drank need to look into a prozac prescription...

 

I heard that the 717s coming from Southwest can be flown purely by happy smiles, bad jokes, and free bags. So.... pilots won't be needed and there will definitely be furloughs. Delta sure did pull a fast one on you guys. But they didn't win everything, they'll have to start letting bags fly free again. Small price to pay to be able to furlough a couple thousand pilots.