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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1333055)
Reroute: Did you come up with that on your own or only after conferring with the lawyers (who work for ALPA National, not DALPA)?
His post is consistent with the legal justifications ALPA has made to rationalize their participation in outsourcing. ALPA has been trying to distance itself from ever seeing an "alter ego" since they developed this rationale for denying the ASA and Comair requests for a merger. The new development is the idea that scope is not scope and is not enforceable. Just as we saw with Republic Airlines Holdings and the "Moak Jet" grievance settlement, when language prevents outsourcing they find a reason that such language is inoperative. (just ignore what is not convenient) In this latest twist, Pinnacle's job protection provisions are not really scope because they are physically located on the next page over. The intent of the contract language is clearly job protection and is clearly scope. It is my personal opinion our administration will do anything to stay in the outsourcing business. The more they are pressed the more outrageous and nonsensical their justifications are. Nothing personal about reroute, or whether he cooked this up on his own or is repeating MEC's talking points. He makes a cogent debate and comes at the issue objectively. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1333068)
Well, his outline follows that of Bill Roberts. But, his thoughts could be independent of ALPA national's attorney.
His post is consistent with the legal justifications ALPA has made to rationalize their participation in outsourcing. ALPA has been trying to distance itself from ever seeing an "alter ego" since they developed this rationale for denying the ASA and Comair requests for a merger. The new development is the idea that scope is not scope and is not enforceable. Just as we saw with Republic Airlines Holdings and the "Moak Jet" grievance settlement, when language prevents outsourcing they find a reason that such language is inoperative. (just ignore what is not convenient) In this latest twist, Pinnacle's job protection provisions are not really scope because they are physically located on the next page over. The intent of the contract language is clearly job protection and is clearly scope. It is my personal opinion our administration will do anything to stay in the outsourcing business. The more they are pressed the more outrageous and nonsensical their justifications are. Nothing personal about reroute, or whether he cooked this up on his own or is repeating MEC's talking points. He makes a cogent debate and comes at the issue objectively. |
Originally Posted by Reroute
(Post 1333066)
I'm not a big fan of it either, but most of it is a result of lawsuit settlement, so it is unlikely to change. IMO, it is toothless and it is not in our best interest to be in the business of putting teeth into it. Others opinions may vary.
If we were to delete page 5 from Section 40, what would we replace it with? How would we ensure conflicts of interest are resolved BEFORE ALPA sits down with management? I am open to suggestions for improvement. Resolutions need to be drafted to accomplish that goal. What do you think of something along the lines of: "The Delta MEC will seek a Letter of Agreement which stipulates the Delta MEC be a full participant in any pilot labor negotiations with Delta Air Lines, Inc., airlines it controls, or subsidiaries and further that such agreement be binding on any successor companies, or in the event Delta is acquired, the acquiring entity." Is there an alternative which would be acceptable to your line of thinking which would result in Delta Reps being at the table when ever Delta management does a deal for pilot labor? Lets pretend this resolution just got introduced at your local council. Yay or Nay, modifications from the floor? |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1333060)
...I prefer people be treated as individuals and hired or not not hired based on merit - not because of affiliation with some group or some fishy ALPA bargain with Delta.
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Can we please put an order in for some of these? :)
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This is beyond worth watching.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1333259)
Can we please put an order in for some of these? :)
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Originally Posted by qball
(Post 1333283)
We have to wait until they are used and 10 years old. Gotta get those brand new RJ's first.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1333259)
Can we please put an order in for some of these? :)
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I interrupt your regularly scheduled programming : When you have a chance, take a trip over to the Cargo Forum and read the posts concerning China Southern (CZ) a member of the Skyteam Alliance.
You might find the posted pics a bit interesting. Regards, BG |
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