I know, I was just trolling. Mostly. However I am curious as to one potential "end around" of the intent of our agreement with them.

Can Hawaiian use "inter island feed" from Delta marketing/network/sales/etc. to fill up a mainland-bound plane? IOW, can they get DL system pax that DAL pilots never fly, on some of those legs to fill up the mainland bound legs?

If so, that will take a bite out of some of our own mainland-HI flying because we fly to several cities there from the mainland. If HAL can do this, they can funnel DL pax from cities we fly to, and even from cities we don't, into mainland bound cities we do fly to. Win for HI, loss for DL.

Well if that's true, that is a huge paradigm shift. While in mediation prior to their strike, they were expressly forbidden by federal mediators for even making a demand for anything with a DL management signature. How and why was that changed, and why is that poisionous practice still being used?

My understanding is a vote can happen via conference call. Happens all of the time. Last one was the Virgin Australia loa I beleive. What cannot happen as I understand it is direction. Could be wrong though.

I wouldn't build that statue so quickly. If he does that, the DAL seniority list pilots will be in serious jeopardy as a massive land grab from PCL pilots for full or partial relative integration and full DL longevity commences. That is a price far too high to pay for the symbolic first step of theoretical unity it would bring. Even if a staple was offered, agreed and signed, many would sue under the bogus "federal merger law" knowing they had nothing to lose in doing so.

Then the retroactive lawsuits from CMR, ASA, etc would start flowing in. Single Carrier between DL and PCL would be a disaster with virtually no upside beyond symbolic hyperbole and massive negative consequences that could gut our seniority list to afford one arbitrarty ill timed pilot group a windfall of epic proportions. Even the "upside" would be meaningless as we still wouldn't own the flying then that we don't own now. If they simply relabeled PCL flying as "Delta pilot flying" then they could just re-shop that same number of large RJ's into the open market, that the PCL agreement helped further lower, for an even lower RFP. They could then furlough Delta pilots, possibly after many PCL pilots got "greater than a staple" with current Delta pilots hitting the streets while current PCL pilots stayed employed in current DL planes because of their greater than a staple system wide number.

I understand your desire for one list, all flying, etc. But this is NOT how to go about it.

To your answer, I do not know and would not presume to agree with the pretense of the question without more information.

More Monday morning quarterbacking:

A certain elevated executive at Delta said last night that the Pinnacle bridge agreement was an agreement between Delta, Pinnacle, and ALPA. So......why were we kept in the dark?

Rather than debate the finer points with someone who admittedly doesn't know much about section 1, I'd rather point out the following:

Our bargaining agent was needlessly kept in the dark while the people that signed our paycheck subverted our bargaining position and pay. What does this say about Delta's feelings towards ANY union?

ACL65,

The problem with a "conference call" is that the rules having to do with setting the agenda and conducting the meeting are subverted. A conference call is much more of a "presentation" style where the party owning the call mostly controls who speaks. While I know someone can speak up on a "go to meeting" it would be exasperating for someone to present their case in the fashion I do on this web board. Frankly, it would seem impolite. Is there a "Roberts Rules" for iPhone app?

Further, how is the vote recorded? Where can members see the recap & notes? Matters of union governance need to be conducted in open session. Members should be afforded the opportunity to address the MEC. How is any of that done via a closed loop call?

But, on this issue impolitic action is needed. Folks who have spent their whole professional lives following a strict Chain of Command need both the information and the opportunity to speak up.

Of course, my Reps have not called me to advise how our MEC came up with their "finding." I'll admit I'm guessing they at least held an informal conference call.

Is there a law against a prenup?

You are right, it is highly unlikely to happen. But the easy answer for representational problems is unity.

It is dis-unity which makes our union jump through all of these contortions to try to avoid it's own Constitution.

This post is true if the merger happens without an agreement worked out before hand. If DALPA negotiated a straight staple of 9E beforehand as a condition of merger, and 9EALPA signed off to it, that would be the terms of the merger. Individual 9E pilots would not be able to sue for higher seniority unless they threw ALPA out like at USair, which, is not going to happen with 12,000 vs a small handful of senior Pinnacle pilots.

Edit: I don't think ALPA national cares if there is any upside to any deal. They just want to show other regionals why there is perks to being ALPA IMHO.