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dalad 11-13-2012 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1292232)
NYC 7ERA as well.

Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.

MrBojangles 11-13-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mem9guy (Post 1292077)
Same thing here. I have worked 9 out of 9 reserve days so far this month. 3 short calls and almost to bucket three while some have barely flown. Have been called out on all three short calls which makes the raw bucket not much help. I'm ok with the bucket system, but short call could use a few tweaks to spread it out more.

Also, deadheaded yesterday and the "Fly Button" is still a part of the safety video...

last month it went the other way with me..had all my short calls at the start of the month and was still a long way from bucket number 2. I then flew trips the rest of the month. worked every reserve day but 1. I still wish they'd knock that first bucket down to a more reasonable level like RAW of 60. 80 is ridiculous.

johnso29 11-13-2012 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1292243)
Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.

What? You don't like flying from 12 midnight through 0500 to GEO? :p

At least you didn't get a GEO that checks in on the 23rd and leaves on the 24th. :)

Of course I could end up as your FO! :eek:

groundstop 11-13-2012 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1292243)
Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.

Could have done:

PREFER OFF 25 0000-2000
PREFER OFF 25

With trips like that being tricky, this is a better bet against that kind of stuff.

dalad 11-13-2012 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1292249)
What? You don't like flying from 12 midnight through 0500 to GEO? :p

At least you didn't get a GEO that checks in on the 23rd and leaves on the 24th. :)

Of course I could end up as your FO! :eek:

Well I can always hope or a Noreaster hitting NYC on the 24th. My wife likes the amputation idea, just not the small toe, after I told her what I did.

Sink r8 11-13-2012 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope (Post 1292228)
I think in a way you are both right and wrong about this...I seem to recall that it was for all intents and purposes a retirement offset, but that ALPA had to vehemently deny it as such or the PBGC would in fact have a solid claim to it. I think they attempted to claim it as such anyway.

I see your point. For most people, your version is accurate, because I don't think most people specifically inquired before voting on LOA 51 whether this was an offset. I was told in very, very clear terms, no wink-wink, that it was for concessions, not retirement-related.

If you think about it, had the Claim not been pumped up by Parker, distributing the Note as retirement-related would have resulted in a revolt. It's only the settlement with the PBGC, the unexpected benefit of the claim, the guys threatening to sue, that conspired to open the door for a "retirement-related" approach to the note. Some senior guys on the MEC always wanted it that way (I had an argument with one while the Claim was still not sold), but they would not have prevailed absent the Claim. IOW, I suspect it was an unsettled power struggle until the Claim and PBGC agreement settled it.

I guess it comes down to this: it wasn't retirement-related... until it was. It's not that important to know exactly how it "blossomed" that way, except maybe because this serves as a reminder to be weary of a single TA product being sold to different pilots in different ways. Someone is going to be sure they were lied to.

TeddyKGB 11-13-2012 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bainite (Post 1292130)
How long does it usually take them to publish the projected training/conversion list?

Training/Conversion list is out. They even have the projected category list for 2013 based upon the Nov AE award.

Sink r8 11-13-2012 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by MrBojangles (Post 1292244)
80 is ridiculous.

Sometimes. But sometimes he makes very good arguments.

sailingfun 11-13-2012 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1292211)
I was at the same MEC meeting and remember them saying that the Note was NOT compensation for the lost retirement. PBGC, etc. Then the union turned around and did just that. Made it compensation for the lost retirement. Some really senior guys walked away with big bucks frpm that, but it's over for me now.

The key point was that the note was only payable in the event the company terminated the frozen retirement plan. Had the company decided to keep the frozen plan then the note would not have been paid. The distribution method reflected the fact it was a offset for the retirement loss. We beat the PBGC on the issue only because we had some very smart people handling the issue.

Razorback one 11-13-2012 01:46 PM

Attention ATL M88B's
 
Easy 2 day just dropped into the swap board for tomorrow. Nice hotel, great Captain. Help a fella out!

Thx,
R1


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