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80ktsClamp 11-13-2012 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1292483)
I actually think the Surface will be the better choice in the long run. MS is much more adaptable and business friendly compared to Apple.

https://www.microsoft.com/global/en-...Start_hero.jpg

It also appears to be made for us kindergartners that love pretty color blocks and have very fat fingers!

cni187 11-14-2012 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1292326)
Well I hope she is still talking about toes! But I get the feeling she isn't!! :eek:


Herkflyr 11-14-2012 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1292299)
You want to do something about that, then you also have to make IAs pay straight pay too. I'll get on board with that, but otherwise not even closely interested. And morality has nothing to do with it, unless you are referring to forcing a pilot to forego his contractual rights to chase windmills as being moral.

I don't agree. Double pay for a GS is a "reward" to the pilot for volunteering to fill in when staffing is tight. Double pay for an IA is a "punishment" to the company for forcing a guy to fly on his days off when he didn't have any request in at all (gate agent meets pilot in jetway, etc).

You could have a provision to limit GS while guys are on the street. If you reduced IAs to straight pay at the same time, the company would be singing hosannahs. Now they would have carte blanche to really screw guys with zero financial penalty.

Bad idea.

(p.s. I've never flown a GS with guys on the street, and average one every four years).

LandGreen2 11-14-2012 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1292427)
Do not, EVER, Assume they will do the common sense thing, and cancel your CQ. I've had them send me to CQ when I was 1 trip away from leaving the category! You should call them and beg them not to send you, maybe you can white slip something to fill the hole, but never assume they will do what seems to be the smart thing! :D

I called to get 76 CQ cancelled since I was going to 73 the next month. They have to coordinate with both planners I guess...called me back at the end of the week...approved! worth a try! CQ is very low threat these days anyway...

scambo1 11-14-2012 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1292527)
I don't agree. Double pay for a GS is a "reward" to the pilot for volunteering to fill in when staffing is tight. Double pay for an IA is a "punishment" to the company for forcing a guy to fly on his days off when he didn't have any request in at all (gate agent meets pilot in jetway, etc).

You could have a provision to limit GS while guys are on the street. If you reduced IAs to straight pay at the same time, the company would be singing hosannahs. Now they would have carte blanche to really screw guys with zero financial penalty.

Bad idea.

(p.s. I've never flown a GS with guys on the street, and average one every four years).

How about greenies and IAs pay triple with pilots furloughed?

This really is a blah, blah, blah topic.

Furlough sucks. Its a realistic fact of this business. The real lesson is to learn from the life experience of others -always have a backup plan if you are a pilot. Live well within your means and make saving an emergency fund a priority. Don't be anyone's beotch.

scambo1 11-14-2012 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by LandGreen2 (Post 1292531)
I called to get 76 CQ cancelled since I was going to 73 the next month. They have to coordinate with both planners I guess...called me back at the end of the week...approved! worth a try! CQ is very low threat these days anyway...

Wow! Times, they are a changin'.

My experience has been like Timbo's. It is good to hear the Co. has maybe smartened up on this. It has been a silly waste of resources in the past.

sailingfun 11-14-2012 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1292541)
Wow! Times, they are a changin'.

My experience has been like Timbo's. It is good to hear the Co. has maybe smartened up on this. It has been a silly waste of resources in the past.

I have had the company go both ways on this. It's always worth asking. I know not to long ago they were burned by a pilot who asked not to go since he was converted the next month and then turned around and bid a 12 day trip on the last day of the month.

Timbo 11-14-2012 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1292527)
I don't agree. Double pay for a GS is a "reward" to the pilot for volunteering to fill in when staffing is tight. Double pay for an IA is a "punishment" to the company for forcing a guy to fly on his days off when he didn't have any request in at all (gate agent meets pilot in jetway, etc).

You could have a provision to limit GS while guys are on the street. If you reduced IAs to straight pay at the same time, the company would be singing hosannahs. Now they would have carte blanche to really screw guys with zero financial penalty.

Bad idea.

(p.s. I've never flown a GS with guys on the street, and average one every four years).

GS's were supposed to be 'the answer' to assigning a junior pilot (Inverse Assignements) a trip he didn't want to fly. The senior guys said THEY should be ENTITLED to pick up that double pay, via GS's, vs. giving it to the most junior pilots as an IA.

The company sued 49 pilots (the entire 32 man MEC, plus 17 others) when the MEC put out a "Contract Awareness" bulliten about NOT flying overtime with guys on furlough and while we were in C2K negotiations.

Many of us said there should be a provision in the contract that shut off both GS and IA's when ever there were pilots on furlough....

Hey, didn't we just negotiate a new TA?? :eek:


Funny that's -still- not in there...:rolleyes:

You want to hear something funny? I was flying as 757 Capt. back then (2000), and I had a F/O who was on a GS and bragging about it. I asked him if he didn't feel just a little bit guilty about flying extra time while we had guys on the street.

His answer was, "Hey, I got furloughed in 1993, nobody gave a sh!t about me, so SCREW 'EM!, I've got to make that money back!"

That is why we NEED a "NO GS, or IA, with Pilots on Furlough" clause in the contract, to protect us from some of our own.

caddis 11-14-2012 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1292475)
Lots of airlines have either already started using the iPad in the cockpit or are in the process of doing so. They have already been approved by the FAA and both Boeing & Airbus have started creating apps for them because they understand the vital role the iPad will play for airlines. But Delta is going to go with Microsoft Surace. Brilliant.


It also came with Microsoft signing a deal with us for their corporate travel I was told.

dalad 11-14-2012 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1292546)
GS's were supposed to be 'the answer' to assigning a junior pilot (Inverse Assignements) a trip he didn't want to fly. The senior guys said THEY should be ENTITLED to pick up that double pay, via GS's, vs. giving it to the most junior pilots as an IA.

The company sued 49 pilots (the entire 32 man MEC, plus 17 others) when the MEC put out a "Contract Awareness" bulliten about NOT flying overtime with guys on furlough and while we were in C2K negotiations.

Many of us said there should be a provision in the contract that shut off both GS and IA's when ever there were pilots on furlough....

Hey, didn't we just negotiate a new TA?? :eek:


Funny that's -still- not in there...:rolleyes:

You want to hear something funny? I was flying as 757 Capt. back then (2000), and I had a F/O who was on a GS and bragging about it. I asked him if he didn't feel just a little bit guilty about flying extra time while we had guys on the street.

His answer was, "Hey, I got furloughed in 1993, nobody gave a sh!t about me, so SCREW 'EM!, I've got to make that money back!"

That is why we NEED a "NO GS, or IA, with Pilots on Furlough" clause in the contract, to protect us from some of our own.

We had no pilots on furlough in 2000.


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