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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1369174)
I know exactly what your career has turned into daldude, and I'm one of those fairly senior guys. I pounded this keyboard like a maniac trying to warn guys in your seniority not to bite at this TA. As Bucking Bar so eloquently stated: our ability to perform flying for the Delta brand is our ONLY treasure. And we squandered it in this TA by agreeing to the changes in scope, and the ridiculous claim that we've done something about our JV's and code shares. Couple this with agreeing to further productivity increases, and the stagnation has turned into heavy displacements to lower paying aircraft.
None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand. Carl I couldn't have said it better. As someone who has deadheaded on Delta Connection 7 times in the past 4 months, the Delta Connection product sucks! Everyone knows it. Delta knows it. The DAL pilots know it. The passengers know it. Passengers hate waiting for their gate checked bags when its freezing in the jetway and their connection times are tight. I just don't understand why DAL likes this product? It is killing the brand. |
Originally Posted by FIIGMO
(Post 1368978)
FWIW, my 2006 W2 was $134/k as an LCA all on a CRJ200. I am not even close to that yet half way through year 5 at DL. Of course I am happy and would rather be here, but like a lot of people on this board it just gets old (and one gets older) being patient. I did vote for the TA because it capped RJ seats and RJ pilots flying DAL passengers. (IMHO 50 seats v. 76 seats is hard for some to accept) Short term is a drain but I am still hopeful that things will break free and when they do I am hoping that being on the front part of the 2007 wave will pay off!
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1369312)
Sailing we have already shrunk. We did not replace any of the ER guys and others have been retiring, and none of these guys have been replaced.
In all fairness this was only the first of hopefully many bids on the 717 and so hopefully we will be entering a growth phase, but make no mistake - we have shrunk. A lot of us were hoping this bid would finally start the movement we have been hearing about and hoping for. Yes, it was a step in the right direction, but it was a baby step at best. So even though many of have been looking forward to this bid for months, if not longer, and even though it is marginally positive - many, many individuals will be negatively impacted on this bid. FWIW - I don't really blame the new contract for this but chalk it up to the final synergies of the merger along with pull-downs in capacity. Whatever the reason it is a bummer. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1369255)
*Really? Let's play a game called who said this.
Flight Operations recently announced that they are prepared to begin the pilot hiring process as early as the fourth quarter of this year (2012). This is consistent with the analysis contained in this Touch & Gos.* A. Company B. Flight Operations C. YOUR union Then claim this wildly inaccurate data had no impact on TA voting? Another REALLY? Everyone should go back and read 12-06 today, then see how you feel about the information and presentation. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1369257)
No, they did not. It has always been stated that this bid the plan was to close the DC-9 categories.
Perhaps there were some discussions behind the scenes, but the only statements put out in crew planning memos in regard to the plan for this AE was to close the DC-9 categories. e current unknown factor is the DC9. We did not expect the DC9 to remain in service into 2013, and as a result, the DC9 training department has been greatly reduced. With this reduction, we can now train only two DC9 crews a month. If a large number of DC9 pilots bid off the equipment on the October and early 2013 AE bids, we will be challenged to backfill those pilots in order to meet the summer DC9 flying demand. If DC9 pilots remain on the equipment, the situation is not as critical. Unfortunately, we are not very good at predicting pilot bidding behavior. The October 2012 bid has DC9 openings so we can create a buffer in the event a large number of DC9 pilots do bid off. The early 2013 bid may have DC9 openings as well depending on the number of DC9 pilots bidding off on the October bid. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1369337)
This is a example of how wrong the forum gets things. The bid that just closed in nov replaced those ER pilots in fact it replaced almost every single one. Around 94 awards were made. Add in the additional awards now and we may have added seats. The award is still available on delta net. The aug bid replaced many of the 747 captains who retired. The 330 was not back filled because of the lie flat mods.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1369339)
Begin the process is not hiring. That was to get the needed pipeline set up and start interviews. Hiring would have began in winter of13
I'll give you that they are probably holding out for as long as they can before hiring, and then keep an even continuous stream of new hires coming to balance out retirees. Looks like they figured they could eek out another summer schedule before hiring. Not sure if that was the plan all along or not, but it certainly looks that way. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1369352)
Everybody I know has been moving backwards the last few years and the last three AEs have been the worst. You're the king of misrepresentation on this forum.
The last two bids were net positive. This bid is net positive. I guess you would have preferred that Delta furloughed the surplus FO,s. that would have made for lots of upward movement as they were brought back. Personally I think it was better to keep them on the property. In the Captains seats which were not overstaffed to the extent of the FO' we have now added over 215 new positions since the contract was signed. Crew planning has stated that with this bid they will have used up the surplus FO's and expect the bids going forward to be almost all AE's. I call this good news, you can call it whatever you want. |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 1369355)
I have a hard time believing that it takes a whole year to start up the hiring/training department. Maybe a few months, but a whole year seems a bit extreme.
I'll give you that they are probably holding out for as long as they can before hiring, and then keep an even continuous stream of new hires coming to balance out retirees. Looks like they figured they could eek out another summer schedule before hiring. Not sure if that was the plan all along or not, but it certainly looks that way. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1369339)
Begin the process is not hiring. That was to get the needed pipeline set up and start interviews. Hiring would have began in winter of13
Second, that is a deceitful way to word it, especially since that wording was below those supporting statistics.....if that was in fact the intent. It is like a literal interpretation my children sometimes do when it works to their advantage. I don't care if they hire or not. Just don't like being tricked. |
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