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And you think after the company spends millions of dollars for the 88 fleet cockpit refresh that they'll park them? This management team is smart. They expect a ROI with everything. The M88s are scheduled to be around a long time. They have the most life left in them out of any fleet at Delta. And who will fly more RJs? They can't hire people to staff them now.

daldude

03-10-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1369174)

I know exactly what your career has turned into daldude, and I'm one of those fairly senior guys. I pounded this keyboard like a maniac trying to warn guys in your seniority not to bite at this TA. As Bucking Bar so eloquently stated: our ability to perform flying for the Delta brand is our ONLY treasure. And we squandered it in this TA by agreeing to the changes in scope, and the ridiculous claim that we've done something about our JV's and code shares. Couple this with agreeing to further productivity increases, and the stagnation has turned into heavy displacements to lower paying aircraft.

None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.

Carl

Amen Brother!

Free Bird

03-10-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1369174)

As Bucking Bar so eloquently stated: our ability to perform flying for the Delta brand is our ONLY treasure. And we squandered it in this TA by agreeing to the changes in scope, and the ridiculous claim that we've done something about our JV's and code shares. Couple this with agreeing to further productivity increases, and the stagnation has turned into heavy displacements to lower paying aircraft.

None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.

Carl

And it really is that simple.

Purple Drank

03-10-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1369224)

This management team is smart. They expect a ROI with everything.

I agree. The bean counters are calling the shots.

Otherwise, we'd have a tablet EFB with wifi, and access to the same up-to-date turbulence and weather radar picture as the guy in seat 2C.

But there's no dollar figure the bean counters can use to justify the expenditure to provide us that type of SA.

buzzpat

03-10-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1369114)

I dont know if 62.5 years is the average age that guys are leaving at or not, but so what? The average was never 60 in the past. The important thing to remember is that the average age just went up about 5 years. So if it is 62.5 then it probably was about 57.5 previously.

Some guys got an instant 5 year windfall. Guys who are FOs get stuck for 5 more years in the right seat, but others were screwed over even worse - like the guys who hit 60 before the change.

And retirements don't help the bottom guys with a shrinking airline.

Scoop

Just wait until ICAO...and then the FAA, go to 67. Popcorn please!!?:D

buzzpat

03-10-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1369174)

None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.

Carl

And THAT's why I love you Carl! No skin in the game, but the dude abides!

End game, bottom line, done deal. We fly our ****. If not, and until then, we lose.

Flamer

03-10-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1369122)

We here very different things. I heard hiring in 2013 not 2012. Never heard a word about a wide body order until 6 weeks ago. The company is doing exactly what they said with the fleet plan. Every aircraft thay said they were bringing on is coming and it now looks like they are bumping the promised numbers up substantially.
We did not get the expected 300 ER's however the 196 we did get are more valuable to the pilot group over time then the 300 expected because of the demographics. You would not be very smart if you wanted to trade what was expected for what actually occurred in the ER program.

*Really? Let's play a game called who said this.

Flight Operations recently announced that they are prepared to begin the pilot hiring process as early as the fourth quarter of this year (2012). This is consistent with the analysis contained in this Touch & Gos.*

A. Company
B. Flight Operations
C. YOUR union

Then claim this wildly inaccurate data had no impact on TA voting? Another REALLY? Everyone should go back and read 12-06 today, then see how you feel about the information and presentation.

80ktsClamp

03-10-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1369105)

They actually put out in a earlier message they expected to award AE's on the nine in this bid. That changed by parking them early.

No, they did not. It has always been stated that this bid the plan was to close the DC-9 categories.

Perhaps there were some discussions behind the scenes, but the only statements put out in crew planning memos in regard to the plan for this AE was to close the DC-9 categories.

80ktsClamp

03-10-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1369240)

Just wait until ICAO...and then the FAA, go to 67. Popcorn please!!?:D

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

The good thing is I highly doubt that is going to happen- at least any time in the near future. :)

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