Originally Posted by finis72 (Post 1369086)

Two and a half months into this contract ? No, ask me summer of 2014. By then I will have enough info to know.

Originally Posted by daldude (Post 1368876)

Sailing,

I think most of the Jr FO's understand what you are saying, I think this board is a just a place to vent. I think there is a fair amount of frustration, because while nobody is looking for sympathy I feel that most Capt's and senior pilots have no clue as to what our career prospects have turned into. I for example was with a Capt the other day who asked why I had not bid Capt on the 88 after being here for 13 years. I then explained that I was still in the bottom 17% of the list and had approximately 11 years to go until I would break into the top 50% of the list. He actually did not believe me until I showed him that we only have 578 retirements between now and 2017. He then proceeded to tell me he could not relate and that he did not know how he could have sent his kids to college if he had not up graded in 11 years. My daughter starts the University of Texas next fall I was actually depressed after that portion of the conversation.

In fact you pointed out in a earlier post that you had a pretty slow (non rocket ship) up grade to Capt at 13 years. With 2001 hires looking at 23 years I actually thought 13 years was pretty good where you thought it was pretty fair at best. You pointed out you were and SO for 5 years, I was furloughed for 6 years. I actually thought having a job as an SO for 5 years looked pretty good where you thought is was not so good. Different perspectives.

But I think the biggest difference in the us and the (Cattle Barron's)(just a joke) is that in the past Delta pilots were jr for a relatively short period in their careers. You for example where jr as and SO for 5 years but then you moved up to senior FO then Capt by 13 years. Where as my generation will still be in the bottom 20% of the seniority list after 17 years. So the whole "I was jr once comparisons" and "you will be senior one day" remarks don't seem to apply.

So while I don't refute that Delta added Capt positions. The way this bid is falling out the Jr. FO's like me, Roadkill and many others see mass displacements to smaller aircraft as well as crew resources stating "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies" I know you keep saying we are going to hire. But that is not what crew resources is publishing they are saying "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies". I did go to the road show a couple of weeks ago and they pumped everybody up by saying we are going to hire, then they decide to shut down the DC9's a year early so they can continue to delay hiring. If SD and company had just said that we are going to displace 700 pilots and shut down the DC9's early so we can fund the 717 and build up 737's, I feel other than the short term riot in the pilot lounge I could have at least respected them for telling the truth.

Keep posting though, we all need the pep talks to counter the reality of being displaced off of narrow body aircraft after 13 years.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1369110)

9 weeks past the amendable date?? Kind of hard to make a judgement that quick.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1369126)

If the airline were shrinking that would be true. The airline is finally entering a growth phase.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1369164)

Thanks for cutting out the last paragraph of my post. Goodnight. :)

Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1369182)

I have to apologize for that part being left out. There was no intent to do so. My last response to you was composed over the course of probably 45 minutes or more as I kept leaving and coming back to it, had to re log in, etc.. I do not recall even seeing that portion at the time. Not sure what happened there.

I agree with it, and had I seen it, could have saved myself alot of time....:D

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1369186)

Ok. That explains it. It's because I added it in after the initial post. You probably quoted me before I added it. Sorry again for my lack of cordial conversation. :)

Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1368820)

It seems easier for civi guys to do over the military guys who never flew for years at a crappy regional to get the hours.

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1369082)

The DAL Openboard. Publishes the age of all people that drop off the seniority list. I lopped off everyone that was under 55 and arrived at 62 and 7 months.

If the company can buy people out at 62.5 and make it make financial sense, then they'll continue to do so. They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think it'd make sense.

I'm pretty sure someone in Crew Resources is smart enough to make a histogram.