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Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1368876)
Sailing,
So while I don't refute that Delta added Capt positions. The way this bid is falling out the Jr. FO's like me, Roadkill and many others see mass displacements to smaller aircraft as well as crew resources stating "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies" I know you keep saying we are going to hire. But that is not what crew resources is publishing they are saying "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies". I did go to the road show a couple of weeks ago and they pumped everybody up by saying we are going to hire, then they decide to shut down the DC9's a year early so they can continue to delay hiring. If SD and company had just said that we are going to displace 700 pilots and shut down the DC9's early so we can fund the 717 and build up 737's, I feel other than the short term riot in the pilot lounge I could have at least respected them for telling the truth. Keep posting though, we all need the pep talks to counter the reality of being displaced off of narrow body aircraft after 13 years. But your overall career stagnation does stink. :( |
Bar, Good posts!
Still feel depressed about this MD bid! Looking at my W2 from last year wondering how things will shape up next year and will inflation compound the down grade losses! Fiig |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 1368877)
Singapore had complained more about having 50% of Virgin's losses more than the acquisition cost.
Anyone know if the losses at Pinnacle, GOL and Virgin harm our profit sharing, or just our seat progression ? |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1368888)
The DC9s are not being parked a year early. They originally were supposed to be parked in 2012, then 2013, & now 2014. And that's when they're scheduled to be parked, 2014.
But your overall career stagnation does stink. :( I do not have enough information about the inner working of crew resources to argue or refute. But at the crew resources lounge visit a couple of week ago they did not lead us to believe they were going to shut down the DC9 category this bid, there was concern about people bidding of of it though. However, I could have missed the shut down DC9 to avoid hiring slide though. Even a week ago Sailing was warning on this forum that the DC9's were going to be shut down early so they could avoid hiring. Because if they were going to keep the 9's open and man the 717 the company would have to hire pilots for sufficient manning. He also stated the ops would like to hire pilots but Delta would prefer to avoid hiring. And once again, crew resources in the second paragraph of the bid says "we do not plan to hire pilots to fill vacancies". So if you do not fill vacancies you are shrinking, no growth, no progression. Obviously what we don't know is how far delta plans to shrink. But what we do know is that at this point on this bid they are planning to shrink and do not plan to hire. |
I took the plunge and bid ATL 717B. Maybe I'll finally be able to hold a line...then I'll select DTW 717B in the next bid, and perhaps they 'll eventually establish a MSP 717 base. I'll minimize my training footprint and get some time off for my move from TX to MN.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1368888)
The DC9s are not being parked a year early. They originally were supposed to be parked in 2012, then 2013, & now 2014. And that's when they're scheduled to be parked, 2014.
But your overall career stagnation does stink. :( |
Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
(Post 1368835)
Just for fun, looked at 717A ATL. I'm 25xx and there is one above me with 717A as first choice... was a bit surprised at that... I get that being no. 1 is kewl... just not 25yrs kewl at that pay rate (even with GS's)!
Has a business or other lucrative income stream on the side. Bids very senior into a category. The pilot then bids prime trips that are easy to get off their schedule and easy to pick up and integrate by others onto their lines of times. Most Western guys fit this description and many made much more from their side interests than they did from flying. Flying became like a hobby for them where they would come fly a good trip with a nice Mexican resort layover and stay current. |
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1368904)
They were going to keep the nines through the summer of 14. That changed in the last 45 days. They will now be gone around the first of the year. I think once flight ops had a firm look at the block hour program they were able to make a solid case that they could not staff the airline unless they hired. The final choice was sadly to park the nines earlier then the last plan and avoid hiring. This is not good news but does again support that the TA did not cost us a significant number of jobs. If it had they would have easily been able to staff the nines without hiring and keep the nines.
Was the trade off to keep some 757s flying? |
Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1368876)
Sailing,
I think most of the Jr FO's understand what you are saying, I think this board is a just a place to vent. I think there is a fair amount of frustration, because while nobody is looking for sympathy I feel that most Capt's and senior pilots have no clue as to what our career prospects have turned into. I for example was with a Capt the other day who asked why I had not bid Capt on the 88 after being here for 13 years. I then explained that I was still in the bottom 17% of the list and had approximately 11 years to go until I would break into the top 50% of the list. He actually did not believe me until I showed him that we only have 578 retirements between now and 2017. He then proceeded to tell me he could not relate and that he did not know how he could have sent his kids to college if he had not up graded in 11 years. My daughter starts the University of Texas next fall I was actually depressed after that portion of the conversation. In fact you pointed out in a earlier post that you had a pretty slow (non rocket ship) up grade to Capt at 13 years. With 2001 hires looking at 23 years I actually thought 13 years was pretty good where you thought it was pretty fair at best. You pointed out you were and SO for 5 years, I was furloughed for 6 years. I actually thought having a job as an SO for 5 years looked pretty good where you thought is was not so good. Different perspectives. But I think the biggest difference in the us and the (Cattle Barron's)(just a joke) is that in the past Delta pilots were jr for a relatively short period in their careers. You for example where jr as and SO for 5 years but then you moved up to senior FO then Capt by 13 years. Where as my generation will still be in the bottom 20% of the seniority list after 17 years. So the whole "I was jr once comparisons" and "you will be senior one day" remarks don't seem to apply. So while I don't refute that Delta added Capt positions. The way this bid is falling out the Jr. FO's like me, Roadkill and many others see mass displacements to smaller aircraft as well as crew resources stating "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies" I know you keep saying we are going to hire. But that is not what crew resources is publishing they are saying "we do not plan to hire to replace vacancies". I did go to the road show a couple of weeks ago and they pumped everybody up by saying we are going to hire, then they decide to shut down the DC9's a year early so they can continue to delay hiring. If SD and company had just said that we are going to displace 700 pilots and shut down the DC9's early so we can fund the 717 and build up 737's, I feel other than the short term riot in the pilot lounge I could have at least respected them for telling the truth. Keep posting though, we all need the pep talks to counter the reality of being displaced off of narrow body aircraft after 13 years. |
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