In Nov. we had 10577 pilots flying the line. 7997 Were line holding pilots.

"Raising the TLV" by an hour would equate to those 7997 pilots averaging one extra hour of LINE CREDIT per month for the year.

ALV only applies to line holders, so therefore 1 hour of LINE building credit per month per year equals a maximum of 12 hours of additional credit per year during the line building process.

Training and Vacation are considered as part of "credit" when determining the ALV.

Training occurs twice a year for every pilot, and 62.8% of those pilots go for 3 days (the rest are in ATL and only go for 2 I think)... Anyways, to be conservative, the increase in training pay of :30 per day is 1.5 hours per year, and 2/3 of that would be 1 hour.

As a group, Delta Pilots are averaging roughly 4 weeks of vacation. The increase in vacation pay is 1.75 hours per week of vacation. For 4 weeks, that is equivalent to 7 hours per year of line credit.

Add it all up and you see that 8:00 of the TLV has just been eaten up with those 2 PWA improvements (there are others ADG, Known absence). So, now we have that 4:00 per line holder per year to deal with:

4:00 x 7997 = 31,998 hours per year.

31,998 / 12 = 2665.6 hours per month

2665.6 / 76 hours for a month = 35 pilot's lines worth of flying

35 / 64 categories = .55 pilots per category

Is the company really getting that much in productivity with 1:00 on the TLV? You be the judge.

amen amen ame... oh wait, you're complaining because you're junior.

So what if you get called out on a four day, you deserve it for not being senior. And just for that, next week, same deal as you only had 1 SC under your belt. You need 3 now.

although, you could have this exact scenario and have people junior to you with the same days off still sitting at home flying far less while you're working. so it's not a junior/senior thing, it's a [redacted].

Yes, there are many hurdles to overcome for us to recapture political control of our profession. What I'm saying is that it's unlikely that we'll see a time where the industry and the government is going to be in such a bind. They'll need help. We are in a unique position to provide it... for a price.

The FAA is facing a huge budget deficit. They should have privatized ATC years ago, and have become too bloated to be an effective regulatory agency. What do they really check any more-- placards on the fuselage, logbook writeups... By taking over some of the licensing functions, for example, we (ALPA or whomever) could alleviate some of those costs and streamline the training to airline users. We then can be in charge of our own profession... imagine that! We're pretty much already doing that with AQP. Let's split off airplanes, airports and airspace from airmen and stop being everybody's b####.

Wel, the UAL/CAL TA has passed the MEC & been released. So far, it's not impressive. Rates less then DAL, scope identical to DAL, & work rules look worse.

DALPA won't fix it.

If I've learned one thing at DAL it's that DALPA will throw the junior guys under the bus.

Their motto is "I got mine MF'er!" as they pull the ladder up.

It sucks, but that's how it is.

Don't worry...you'll be senior someday (in another 15 years). :rolleyes:

Had a really close friend leave Comair a couple years ago. (Smart decision) Since then he has worked at the FAA. I'm surprised at how hard those Feds work and what they do. The FSDO sucks but the rest of the Feds are busy with next gen stuff, airport inspections, and a whole lot of other crap. I've spent a few days at the Seattle office just tagging along.

Where did you see it?

That other site.....FI. Plus, they're squawking about it in the CAL/UAL merger forum.

Well, these Feds aren't overworked...


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Thanks Johnson! :D